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August 14, 2009

Do Health Care Naysayers Have “Too Much Skin” In The Game?

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What’s Coke’s new slogan, “Open happiness”?

As the health care “debate” plunges headlong into delusion, this piece in the NYT Mag, as well as a reader comment today, raises the following question:

As wingers bear down with a blanket and vicious “just say no” to reform, is it fair game to challenge them over lifestyle issues — particular, for (overtaxing the medical system by) being (irresponsibly) overweight?

(And yeah, that guy in the other Grassley townhall picture on The BAG yesterday also jumps out.)

(image: Steve Pope/A.P. caption: Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, speaks to a large crowd during a town meeting on health care reform Wednesday, Aug. 12, 2009 in Adel, Iowa.)

  • joy

    all the while they’re advocating personal responsibility? These are the ones the insurance industry would most like to drop!

  • tekel

    As long as the bill makes it OK to hunt fatties for sport, they can protest as much as they want. Oh wait, it doesn’t?
    well hell, I ain’t gonna vote for that neither.
    ed note: I’d highlight both cameramen and about 10 other people in that picture too.

  • http://motherrr.blogspot.com mcmama

    Whether or not I say it out loud, I think it every time, as in, “Yeah, Bubba, maybe you want to keep that public option open. You know – for later. After you develop diabetes, get dropped by your insurance company, and then suffer a heart attack at 55, ten years before you qualify for Medicare. Just sayin’.”

  • Tena

    There may be better ways to approach this because I think fears like the fear that under a government run health system, if you lived an unhealthy life you may not get the care someone else will get, is fueling their rage. Seriously – we can’t start on lifestyle – that’s going to really set it off because that plays into the whole “death panel” idea.
    And that’s a loaded area, AFAIC. And here’s my disclaimer – I’m 5′4″ and I weigh 107 lbs. I’m not making excuses for overweight people – I find it appalling that we’ve cone to this, especially so many obese children. But I just think it fuels the already flaming fires of “rationing” and “death panels” and the whole thing.

  • Heron

    Well, I’m quite prepared to make “excuses” for overweight people.
    There are powerful emotional, family, social, cultural, and economic forces that contribute to people’s weight issues, and blaming people is not helpful.

  • http://profile.typepad.com/stevelaudig stevelaudig

    Bringing what looks like hypocrisy to the attention of “overweight” people is not “blaming” them. A fair percentage of the “overweight” are self-indulgent fatties that make excuses for their failure to strip off their clothes and stare into a “full-sized” mirror long enough to raise their consciousness as to one [in fairness not the only but surely the ultimate] source of their obesity and lack of fitness [which is BOTH physical and mental. Query: Are there "powerful, emotional, family social, cultural and economic forces contributing to their lack of consciousness? Sure, but personal responsibility for how one thinks begins at home]. Eating is a voluntary act that can be made into a conscious act, IF there is effort on behalf of the eater. Many [sure not all] are simply mentally lazy as is demonstrated by what they say at the town meetings. Consider: Would it be unfair to ask them, in an effort to determine their attempts at fitness, whether they walked or drove to the town meeting if it was about conservation? No. Same goes for providing health care. A question that points out hypocrisy is always fair.

  • yg

    tsk tsk, just tragic. so white. so fat.

  • bystander

    *sigh* Holding the thought in reserve, without giving it voice, might just save my sanity. More than likely the accused would argue it’s one more example of leftist elitism; health club and gym memberships, personal trainers, organic food, cyclists in spandex obstructing my roads…

  • bystander

    Actually, Steve, the science of bariatrics is quite complex. It’s really not as simple as will power. And, while the equations specifying energy in and energy out are simple enough to understand, they over simply the feedback mechanisms that exist in the modern humanoid. Consider human body fat as an endocrine organ. When you begin talking about organs you’re not discussing something quite so pedestrian as a signal of laziness and weak will. There’s a good deal more involved with obesity than a preference for high fructose corn syrup.

  • Jerry Holtaway

    well people abuse all sorts of organs through choices: smokers decimate their lungs, drinkers their livers, crack users their brains. just because you want to call human body fat an organ, is that any reason to try to keep people from destroying themselves?

  • http://www.doves2day.blogspot.com g

    Well, without getting into the body-image weeds here, might I posit that perhaps these folks, given their age and weight issues, are probably frequent health-care customers, so their feelings of possessiveness and fear are understandable. And so easily exploited, I might add, by manipulators.
    The amount of lipitor and lisinopril prescriptions among the protesters’ demographic would be a telling statistic.
    I’m not saying that to be snarky – just, if you’re a person on maintenance meds for blood pressure or cholesterol, and maybe your joints hurt from carrying that extra weight, and you’re sometimes breathless and your heart races, and you’re often preoccupied by the potential aches and pains to come – the thought that everything might become more expensive or less available than it is now (even when you have a bad policy that might be rescinded) is enough to scare you into anger.

  • http://www.doves2day.blogspot.com g

    Side note – I love the detail of the fat guy in the left foreground, clutching the huge bottle of Coca-cola.

  • Tena

    This is my point – we don’t want to be heath-nazis. At least I don’t because I do not believe in telling other people how to live at all.
    I’m with Wild Bill Hickock: Please let me go to hell in my own way.

  • Tena

    Here’s a good example of why you cannot dictate what someone does with their own body – when China outlawed foot binding, the authorities insisted that women with bound feet unbind them.
    Well, you can’t unbind bound feet – it causes more problems than it creates.

  • http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2009-08/uoc-hda081109.php yg

    that reminds me, this study just came out:
    Rats fed a high-fat diet show a stark reduction in their physical endurance and a decline in their cognitive ability after just nine days, a study by Oxford University researchers has shown.

  • yg

    wonder what this suggests about alzheimer’s.

  • yg

    being called an elitist, now that would really break my heart.

  • yg

    this is also emblematic of a bunch of farmers getting fat off taxpayer subsidies. this is what welfare looks like.