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October 1, 2006

Reading Vs. Reading In

Thoepker911

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There is a world of difference between “reading” and “reading into” a photo.

After almost two years of daily practice, I, along with readers of this site, have acquired a much greater intelligence and care over how to go about it.  In less thoughtful hands, however, the practice can be imprecise at best, and wildly misleading at worst.

If this photo reminds you of the “Pregnant Pausephoto and discussion on The BAG back on August 23rd, you’re not off base.  This shot, taken by Thomas Hoepker, is another from David Friend’s book, Watching the World Change: The Stories Behind the Images of 9/11. This shot however, became the source of a media controversy over how to look at it, and what it actually depicts.

In marking the five year anniversary of the 9/11 attacks, Frank Rich used part of his visually-minded column on September 10th (here, via RadicalLeft) to take on this photo set on the Brooklyn waterfront.  He writes:

Seen from the perspective of 9/11’s fifth anniversary, Mr. Hoepker’s photo is prescient as well as important—a snapshot of history soon to come. What he caught was this: Traumatic as the attack on America was, 9/11 would recede quickly for many. This is a country that likes to move on, and fast. The young people in Mr. Hoepker’s photo aren’t necessarily callous. They’re just American. In the five years since the attacks, the ability of Americans to dust themselves off and keep going explains both what’s gone right and what’s gone wrong on our path to the divided and dispirited state the nation finds itself in today.

In his ready interpretation of the image, Rich’s reads something close to callousness into the subjects.  His belief is that, in the presence of this horrific event, these people, in supposedly typical American fashion, have already “moved on.”

Most of the time at The BAG, we look at political images (more often, news photos) in terms of the role a particular image plays in a larger political narrative or propaganda agenda.  At other times, we are considering the picture in terms of a publication’s marketing or editorial agenda.  Supported by my training in character psychology, we do also look at photos as “data” in attempting to understand both individual and group personality and behavior.

What is important to emphasize, however, is that, in the later focus, it is profoundly speculative to offer opinions, or ascribe motives and intentions, to photographic subjects who are unknown to us.  Further, it is completely unprofessional (even for a professional) to state these “projections” as “fact,” as opposed to hypothesis.

Why I belabor the point, and why I’m so excited about this post, is because Thomas Hoepker and Slate provide us us the rarest of opportunities here.  There have been few cases at The BAG where we have been able to hear directly from the subject of a political photo.  In this wonderful instance (if I dare use “wonderful” in regards to anything having to do with 9/11), we not only have access to the thoughts and reflections of the photographer upon capturing the image, but we actually have direct, first-person accounts of two of those supposedly “movin’ on Americans” in question.

As I understand it, both Walter Sipser, a Brooklyn artist at the far right of the picture, and then Chris Schiavo, the woman second from the right, spontaneously emailed Slate after having heard about this on-line debate.  Given the importance to what we do here at The BAG, I have reproduced both of these accounts in full.  (I should also mention, Slate says it verified that each person was who they said they were.)

Walter Sipser writes:

A snapshot can make mourners attending a funeral look like they’re having a party.

Thomas Hoepker took a photograph of my girlfriend and me sitting and talking with strangers against the backdrop of the smoking ruin of the World Trade Center on September 11th. Earlier, she and I had watched the buildings collapse from my rooftop in Brooklyn and had made our way down to the waterfront. The Williamsburg Bridge was filled with hundreds of people, covered in dust, helping one another make their way onto the street. It was clear that people who ordinarily would not have spoken two words to each other were suddenly bound together, which I suppose must be a fairly common occurrence in the aftermath of a catastrophe.

We were in a profound state of shock and disbelief, like everyone else we encountered that day. Thomas Hoepker did not ask permission to photograph us nor did he make any attempt to ascertain our state of mind before concluding five years later that, “It’s possible they lost people and cared, but they were not stirred by it.”

Had Hoepker walked fifty feet over to introduce himself he would have discovered a bunch of New Yorkers in the middle of an animated discussion about what had just happened. He instead chose to publish the photograph that allowed him to draw the conclusions he wished to draw, conclusions that also led Frank Rich to write, “The young people in Mr. Hoepker’s photo aren’t necessarily callous. They’re just American.” A more honest conclusion might start by acknowledging just how easily a photograph can be manipulated, especially in the advancement of one’s own biases or in the service of one’s own career.

Still, it was nice being described as a young person. I was forty at the time the photograph was taken.

And here is the poignant e-mail Chris Schiavo sent to Slate.  According to the website, she was Sipser’s girlfriend at the time.  Her message was titled: “From the contortionist sunbather.”  She writes:

I am one of the “disaffected sunbathing youth” in the photo. I think Walter Sipser and your readers have already voiced most of what should be considered when looking at this photo in conjunction with the New York Times article.

I am also a professional photographer and did not touch a camera that day. Why? For many reasons including a now-obvious one: This somewhat cynical expression of an assumed reality printed in the New York Times proves a good reason. (Shame on Mr. Rich and Mr. Hoepker—one should never assume.) But most of all to keep both hands free, just in case there was actually something I could do to alter this day or affect a life, to experience every nanosecond in every molecule of my body, rather than place a lens between myself and the moment. (Sounds pretty “callous,” huh?) I also have a strict policy of never taking a photograph of a person without their permission or knowledge of my intent.

I am a third-generation native New Yorker, who knows and loves every square inch of this city, as did her ancestors before her. My mother and father are both architects and artists who have contributed much to the landscape of this city and my knowledge of the buildings that are my hometown and my childhood friends. (Ironically, my mother even worked for Minoru Yamasaki, the World Trade Center architect.) The point being, it was genetically impossible for me to be unaffected by this event.

Finally, just to “keep us honest,” I thought I would link to this David Friend post, offering a photo that was sent to him after compiling the images for his book.  I like it because it demonstrates, even after having read these accounts, how a similar image — available just to the eye, without additional context, and even after this discussion — could still cause consternation.

(image: Thomas Hoepker.  New York.  September 11, 2001.  Via slate.com)

  • http://www.actblue.com/page/robinlee Robin Farley

    Great post. It really drives home how easy it is to be manipulated by a picture, and how important it is to control the the framing of the news. Something that the Republicans have been so effective at over the last 20 years. I was in the Pentagon on 11 September and I was shocked to see a huge plume of smoke rising behind me as I raced home. I suppose a photographer could have caught that look and made it a powerful comment on the tragedy. He could have also taken a picture of me eating lunch a few hours later and used it to say “he just wanted things to get back to normal as soon as possible.” Both are true and both could be used unscrupulously to push an agenda.

  • http://profile.typekey.com/browneyedgirl65/ BEG

    You know, when I first saw this photo (I forget exactly where, but it was recent, in the last few weeks), I thought how impossible it was to tell what the people were thinking. They could have just as easily been intently watching, feeling helpless about a situation larger than anything seen before. Thanks for passing on the commentary of the individuals actually in the picture.

  • margaret

    Frank Rich’s comments and others which assumed the true nature of things is so indicative of American culture at this point in time: surface appearances are all that count for “reality.” It’s a very dangerous mind set, which has translated into people assuming, recently, that a praying Jewish man on an airplane was some kind of threat to passengers’ safety, among other such kinds of reactions to “different” people on other flights.
    I am disappointed that Americans have lost their ability to be compassionate, to explore, with empathy, others’ experiences, others’ humanity, in short, to have an imagination of their own. It’s all just too superficial and tragic.

  • John

    Of course, the idea here is to look at photos from a political communications viewpoint. This involves a level of literalism that negates any photo as an aritistic object. In the latter case, the true thoughts and feelings of the people in the shot don’t actually matter at all. They are, depending on how you look at it, reduced or elevated to symbols. Their particular expressions and postures at one very specific point in time are meant to be interpreted, may be ambiguous, and are seen as a larger comment than the literal, journalistic ‘depiction’. Perhaps the most relevant criticism one could level at Rich is that he was applying art interpretation in a political communications context. There’s nothing wrong with that, it simply leaves him open to criticism by literalists who are applying journalistic standards to the same photo. That is an equally valid approach. Both approaches have their limits, in that one demands a certain disregard for the historically ‘true’ and the other demands a negation of any symbolic truth or possibility conveyed by the photo alone, minus explanations by the subjects, the photographer, etc. Ultimately, to criticize either approach is tilting at windmills and creating a straw man to some extent. Photos are not reality, they capture a stray moment of reality that may or may not reflect the larger event depicted. The power of photojournalism is rooted precisely in photography’s power to seem objective when it can’t possibly be so. Nothing said here is going to change that, and no amount of ‘enlightening’ is going to stop human beings from being subjective in either creating or viewing visual images.

  • http://www.futurebird.com futurebird

    I think there is one thing in this photo that makes it look like the people are not “serious” and that’s the bike. In a NYC context a bike is a normal means of getting around. To the rest of america it’s a toy for recreation only.
    I don’t see people moving on in this image. I see new yorkers sitting still and they aren’t in a restaurant– that WEIRD. Great post.

  • PTate in MN

    I keep wondering what the viewers and critics expect to see in images of 9/11.
    We have in other threads discussed iconic images, and for me, perhaps the most iconic of 9/11 is the one of people running from the debris cloud of the collapsing WTC.
    For me this picture captures the essence of 9/11–the workaday men in suits, the terror, the humanity, the chaos. Other extraordinary pictures fill in the narrative–the planes crashing through the glass walls of the WTC, the firemen covered in ash, the smoldering ruins, the stunned faces, the people walking out of the city. But the one that connects for me most, the purest emotional expression, is the running-away-from-collapsing-WTC one. It seems to me that particular image has been internalized as the truth of the day even for those of us who watched the event from a thousand miles away. As a nation, we have responded to those internalized images as well–we have been running away in terror, attacking every threat we see in our way to safety-whether Muslim extremists or people who aren’t sufficiently patriotic.
    So at last we see picture of individuals observing the national tragedy unfold rather than running away in terror. In this case, they ride bicycles and seem to be at a picnic. And because our expectation of how they ought to react has been violated, we are disturbed, unsettled. We attribute character flaws to them–they are callous, young, moving on, insensitive. This is classic social psychology–the fundamental attribution error! We aren’t thinking carefully about the situation.
    Whereas what we should try to accommodate is the truth that 1) not everyone was running away in terror everywhere every minute of that terrible day, and 2) as a nation, we have responded in fear and panic rather than observing and trying to figure out WTF was happening.
    …oh, and 3)Frank Rich is a pompous gasbag.
    I am very glad that the participants were able to speak up for themselves. A particularly good post! Perhaps the fact that images such as this are starting to emerge is a sign that the nation is starting to come to its senses.

  • http://www.keirneuringer.blogspot.com Keir

    I like this post too.
    If you were to read the picture from bottom to top, there’d be nothing about the first (bottom) half that would prepare you for the second (top) half. These people could be modeling their clothes and sunglasses. They could be in a bike advertisement. Kind of reminds me of the photo the BAG ran this summer of young people in sunglasses cruising destroyed Beirut in (I think) a convertible.
    I don’t doubt the shock and disbelief of the people in the photo. Maybe that’s the problem. Maybe the “shock and disbelief” Americans felt then has something to do with the huge gap between US foreign policy and their giving a shit about it? If one accepts (not that I think all the BAG’s readers do) that US foreign policy explains 9/11, then of course Americans are shocked and in disbelief. Americans don’t care about their own foreign policy, so they’re shocked and in disbelief when it comes home to roost.
    Sure it was wrong of photographer Thomas Hoepker to characterize people he had not made any contact with, but the photo’s subject characterizing himself as in “shock and disbelief” bothers me almost inexplicably. Not to suggest that there is a single correct way to deal with trauma, but. . . I began watching the 9/11 spectacle a few minutes after it began, on the BBC, unable to contact any of my family or friends back in NYC. I don’t remember being shocked or in disbelief. Just incredibly sad. The shock and disbelief came when the world let the US bomb its way into feeling good about itself again.

  • Howler

    I think it’s vaugely interesting, hearing from the actual subjects and how they were actually feeling when the photo was snapped. I can aso empathise with them to a point because they felt like they were used inapropriately to create a symbol of indiference or “Americans getting on with it”. I even hate people sticking cameras in my face and snapping or filming as if just because they owned the technology they had the right to. But there’s another part of me that’s an artist too and I think as an artist, the photographer has a right to shape an image to his specifications. He thought it would be interesting to juxtapose tragedy with seeming indiference to make a specific point. It’s not as if he said, “Wow there’s some indiferent young people partying while the towers burn– Here I am capturing this bizzare moment on film, a document for all time!” The truth here is in the art of the photo itself not in the mindset of the subjects who just happen to be in it. That’s not art to me, it’s journalism or docmentory making. The famous photo of the sailor passionately kissing the woman on the NY City street at the end of WWII had a truth to it that would fall apart if you dug too deep and find out, perhaps, the sailor never left stateside and never saw action or that the nurse slapped him a second later. But those details aren’t inportant to the truth of the photo. If this were an oil painting there may not be a fuss because the technology puts the subjects at more of a remove.But because a photo is so much LIKE reality, the subjects feel as if it actually THEM in it which it really isn’t. No one viewing this photo is saying “Wow, that’s Jane Smith, how callus of her–but then she always was callus in high school!” The vast majority of us don’t know the subjects. It’s pure coinsedenece that one of them happens to be a photographer herself. But to me as an audience to the photo, it means little or nothing.

  • readytoblowagasket

    Keir, are you saying that on 9/11 you were *not* shocked that the two tallest skyscrapers in the United States crashed to the ground? ‘Cause I don’t believe that for a minute. It’s true that many Americans know next to nothing about U.S. foreign policy, but they probably remember learning Newton’s third law of physics: “For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.” So when massive buildings fall down after airplanes hit them, it tends to shock people stupid for a while.
    I think *that* shock and disbelief got co-opted by a famously contested, opportunistic administration who manuevered more airtime to broadcast our so-called opinions to the world than we did. Americans did not vote George W. Bush into office in the first place (the Supreme Court did), and Bush’s inauguration was marred by massive yet underreported protesting in Washington, DC, and elsewhere in the country. And that was before 9/11.
    http://archive.salon.com/politics/feature/2001/01/20/protests/index.html
    http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=03/04/07/0155217
    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2001/01/21/MN153730.DTL
    My own disbelief continues unabated regarding Bush’s reelection, but despite 9/11, there has been massive protesting throughout the U.S. against the invasion of Iraq, against the 2004 Republican National Convention, and against the 2004 election, not that those protests achieved the desired results. What *has* resulted from the endless George Bush fever dream is grassroots political activism in this country the likes of which has not been seen since the Vietnam War. That clearly can’t fix anything fast enough, but I have to hope that it will *begin* to change the course of U.S. foreign policy on 11/07/06 and continue on 11/04/08 and beyond.

  • floopmeister

    I was in Vientianne, Laos, sitting in a streetside restaurant when 911 came on the news.
    The reaction of the Lao people in the restaurant was interesting. After leaving the broadcast on through the impact of the second plane and the fall of the towers it was then turned back to the Thai soap opera they had been watching.
    Then again, maybe there was nothing ‘interesting’ in their reaction at all. What, after all, was 911 to them?
    The next couple of weeks my ESL sessions on current affairs (watching news bulletins to answer comprehension questions, followed by group discussions) with the Lao government officials I was teaching were certainly interesting for me. The place/context in which we view events is often as important as our own experiences/connections to what we are witnessing.
    My own response to 911 is deeply tempered by the context in which I experienced it – and it is a different response from friends or family he experienced the media ‘event’ back in Australia.
    And the amazing 4 hours of live bulletins of the disaster, captured on timed video at the school? The footage that I thought was so powerful and which I planned to use in a couple of special sessions on the emotional impact of the news on the viewer, the immediacy of TV imagery, etc?
    They got taped over the next day by our AV assistant – because that’s what we always did.

  • PTate in MN

    Howler: “…the photographer has a right to shape an image to his specifications.”
    I wonder if this thread is going to be prematurely cut off due to technical failures–too bad if that happens because now we are getting into something very interesting.
    What a fantastic comment by Howler! My mind is reeling with the levels of complexity and morality. Every photographic image involves 1) the eye of the photographer, 2) the subject, and 3) the viewer. And, I might also add, the meta-levels of 4) the purpose for which the image is snapped, and 5) the context in which the image is shown–which can involve other motives, other agents. And out of all of this we hope to discern some Reality, some Truth: A witness to an event hopes to communicate some reality of that event with others who did not witness the event for themselves.
    But how terribly dehumanizing Howler’s comment is: a photographer has a “right” to take the image of his choice. The subjects of this photo were not asked if they minded having their picture taken by a stranger for his own purposes or their minds interpreted by another stranger for his purposes. This opens a different conversation about Art.
    We keep bumping up against these different levels in these threads: Does Frank Rich have a right to use this image to illustrate his point that the US is moving on (an example of 3)? Would Susan Sontag “mind” being photographed as she lay in state after her death (2)? Why did Newsweek decide to pull the Afghan cover for a cover of a celebrity photographer(5)? Is George Bush pointing fingers of blame (4)? I could go on and on. Is the media dehumanizing Ahmedinejad prepatory to a US attack of Iran(5)? Or consider the conversation from awhile back about the photographs from Beirut in which the smoke had been doctored. Do the rights of the photgrapher encompass doctoring images to communicate better with his or her audience(1)?
    When Bushco submits propaganda to the media, say Bush walking executively against a backdrop of soldiers, is that reality(1, 2, 3, 4, 5)?
    Given the power of the technology, where do we draw the lines? What is right, moral, ethical at each of these levels?
    I believe that margaret, upthread, provides an important insight: “I am disappointed that Americans have lost their ability to be compassionate, to explore, with empathy, others’ experiences, others’ humanity…” One kind of spiritual discipline–it is probably Buddhist in origin but I encountered it in a Christian context–requires the disciple to be mindful of the interconnectedness of all things, striving to be lost to self, starting from some small object–a pebble, an orange. So, too, we perhaps need to practice this discipline when we view a photograph. How many people are involved in this photograph: the photographer, the subjects, the people unseen in the collapsing WTC across the water, the stunned world watching the event, the editors in a position to publish or not publish this particular image, and now us, years later. We have to keep asking ourselves if we are seeing with the eyes of compassion.

  • http://www.brianrose.com Brian Rose

    As a photographer who usually deals with “real” situations, I am always aware of the “fiction” of the image. This dichotomy of the real and the fictional is what photography is about–what makes it powerful–and what makes it disturbing.
    Moreover, the experience of an event does not necessarily unfold visually like Hollywood movies with heightened action and dramatized points of view. There are an infinite number of perspectives in time and space of an event. Many photographers seek to control meaning by creating images that confirm certain cultural habits of seeing and framing the world. I prefer to work against that way of seeing, though I know I can never truly escape it. Viewers of photographs bring those same cultural references to bear, often uncritically.
    Photography is by definition a predatory act. One is always stealing, appropriating, and intruding. I have, or so I feel, a careful sense of ethical responsibility, but in the end I know that the images I take are not in themselves “humane” or “compassionate.” They are what they are, take ‘em or leave ‘em.
    With regard to the Hoepker image, it’s interesting to have the photographer and two of the people depicted weigh in, but ultimately, the picture provides a simple narrative: that most of us witnessed the horror of this event from afar, passively–like it or not–in the uniform of the moment–appropriate or not–on a beautiful summer day. For me, that distance, with its aura of disengagement, makes the image all the more poignant and lasting.

  • readytoblowagasket

    Brian Rose said: “ultimately, the picture provides a simple narrative: that most of us witnessed the horror of this event from afar, passively — like it or not — in the uniform of the moment — appropriate or not — on a beautiful summer day. For me, that distance, with its aura of disengagement”
    Like everyone else, you’re certainly entitled to your read of this photograph, but it remains self-referential, and therefore subjective rather than objective. As a matter of fact, this photograph is subversive and not at all simple.
    For one thing, even if these people had *wanted* to help that day (to do more than witness “passively”), they were not allowed to enter the city: *all* transportation was completely shut down. That is evident by the subtle absence of ferries and other boats on the river, planes and helicopters overhead, as on a normal day. I remember the palpable absence of taxis, trucks, cars, buses, and bike messengers on the streets of Manhattan. Only Navy jets silently patrolling (too late) high above were crisscrossing the skies.
    Also abnormal is this group’s isolation from other people. Walter Sipser states, “The Williamsburg Bridge was filled with hundreds of people” — so where *is* everybody? Even though the Williamsburg Bridge is relatively close by (maybe directly behind them, for all we know), everybody is offstage, out of sight. Those hundreds of people (thousands, really) collected into small groups of friends, family, and neighbors just like this one pictured. Many of those groups gathered around TVs (if they still had reception; some didn’t) and kitchen radios inside New York apartments, yet they wouldn’t have made a very dramatic photograph even though the smoke billowed in Lower Manhattan beyond their apartment walls.
    Without people, this scene doesn’t even look like New York City. So in addition to the obvious clue of the smoldering backdrop, if you know what it’s supposed to look like, you can tell *something is wrong* with this picture.
    Frank Rich quotes the *photographer* as saying that these people look “totally relaxed” and “not stirred.” I don’t know how the photographer could read the two women on the left as totally relaxed. Even Walter Sipser appears overly hunched to me.
    Finally, this group of white, middle class Brooklyn hipsters is representative of a tiny sliver of New York’s population: that of white, middle class Brooklyn hipsters. Something about that “alternative look” doesn’t translate in this situation for the photographer or for Frank Rich. These people read as young and carefree and privileged, when they may not be any of those things. (All Brooklyn hipsters look younger than they are, btw.) If they were wearing suits and looking at the smoke with their hands in their pockets, would we feel better about them as fellow citizens? Something to ask ourselves.
    What we seem to have “lost” on September 11 is the ability to read SUBTLETY. I notice this daily: in exchanges on this blog, in reports on NPR, and most everywhere I look. Frank Rich is being misread somewhat here as well: “In his ready interpretation of the image, Rich reads something close to callousness into the subjects.” A close reading of Rich shows his own interpretation was not “ready” but was built upon the photographer’s inaccurate and biased observations, which Rich quoted before he landed on the word “callous.” Then he says:
    “The young people in Mr. Hoepker’s photo aren’t necessarily callous.”
    He got the “young” part wrong (at least per Sipser), but he got the other part right.

  • MonsieurGonzo

    Brian: “Photography is by definition a predatory act.”
    POINT AND SHOOT
    there is “taking” a photograph, and there is “making” a photograph.
    in The States, you say “make a decision.” in Europe, they say “take a decision.”
    There is a clear, consistent Cultural difference when it comes to l’objet “decision” ~ for example, the english language Wiki mentions “decision making” as some process of DECISION, whereas “decision taking” is entirely absent from American lexicon (“taking a decision” is also the norm in England, so we must conclude the usage difference is not English Language, but American Culture).
    when it comes to taking a decision, i think not of predation but of taking = “choice”. perhaps, predestination, as in choosing between 2 or more alternatives apparent, or something like that.
    when it comes to making a decision, i think not of predation but of making = “manufacture”. including, perhaps predetermination, as in, “Intelligence and facts are being fixed around the policy,” of the Downing Street Memo : l’idée, fixe.
    it may surprise many that the verb or noun / expression “to fix” or “the fix” is itself, entirely American.
    FIX is a wealthy word, with many, many meanings in America: FIX gives fits to non-American speakers whenever they encounter a FIX, in all its manifestations, in your language ~ but i digress {grin} The Fix, is “in” your culture.
    “taking” and “making” a photograph = image does not appear, to me, to be a cultural decision distinction. What we chat and chew over here, and elsewhere, is whether the fix is “in” the eye of the taker/maker, or “in” the eye of the beholder? Who can say who possesses the idea (?) Whatever difference exists between the two expressions can be as subtle or profound as “making love to,” and “making love with.”
    in my mind, the dilemma can be resolved somewhat by changing the object from image = “photograph,” or “picture,” to taking or making a POINT : l’idée, c’est tout.

  • PTate in MN

    There seems to be a technical glitch that prevents the last posted comment from being viewed in its entirety. So this is posted in an attempt to view the complete comment. Are others having this problem?
    In any case, during preview, I noticed two additional comments, and I want to add that I agree with readytoblowagasket that “I don’t know how the photographer could read the two women on the left as totally relaxed. Even Walter Sipser appears overly hunched to me.” I had the same reaction. I also appreciate the comment about the lack of traffic on the Hudson. Not being familiar with NYC, I hadn’t realized what now seems obvious.

  • readytoblowagasket

    PTate in MN said: “I also appreciate the comment about the lack of traffic on the Hudson. Not being familiar with NYC, I hadn’t realized what now seems obvious.”
    That’s why I used the word “subversive”: Except for the smoke, the scene reads as totally normal. Yet the burning rubble tells us it’s September 11, 2001 — not a normal day. That’s the contrast the photographer wanted to capture. People who don’t know New York intimately or weren’t in New York on that day would not see any other “abnormal” clues. However, neither did *the photographer.* The reality (a group of traumatized people on a day of crisis) is subverted by competing sensory information (brilliant sunshine, calm waters, and quiet conversation).
    This photograph played a trick on me, too. The first time I saw it, I reflexively thought it was taken from New Jersey. It was as if my brain had “flopped” the photo completely (like a transparency or a slide) in order to “explain” the “safe” (or distant) and “suburban” (or non-urban) feel it has. But this photo is of the East River (not the Hudson), and it’s north of the WTC site (not south). So my own first “read” of this photograph is physically, geographically impossible. That’s how powerfully an innocuous-looking group of sunglasses-wearing white bike riders resting on a calm, sunny day “reads.”

  • jt from BC

    Having spent a lot of time on or near water the small white wake was the first thing I noticed, obviously a a high speed Coast Guard Patrol Vessel has just passed.

  • http://www.pierretristam.com Pierre Tristam/Candide’s Notebooks

    In sum, a picture can be worth a thousand misleading words. For three reasons though, I wouldn’t say that that ought to preclude a Thomas Hoepker from taking whatever photograph he deems worth his lens and interpreting it as he might, or even that it precludes a Frank Rich from riding the misinterpretation and pushing it further. They have their freedoms. But then, we have ours, and through colliding interpretations we might well rediscover an image’s worth a thousand times over; that’s just what an image ought to provoke, isn’t it? Those three reasons in Hoepker’s defense:
    First, taking a photograph in public is an act comparable to a thought process; it’s not in itself anymore offensive, or actionable, than an individual’s glance in public regardless of the circumstances. It ought to be treated as such: a free act. It’s the image’s treatment subsequently that (like, say, an offensive thought’s translation into action) that may become an issue, and even then, with qualifiers.
    Second, at every stage, the photographer’s picture of the event he’s photographed is as much a photograph in and of itself as it is a projection of the photographer’s *idea* of the photograph–in the same sense that a reporter’s decision to use a particular quote out of ten he’s written down in his notebook is itself a projection of that reporter’s image of the event he’s reporting on. Rich riding Hoepker’s interpretation is problematic of course, in the sense that it amplifies a misconception about those young individuals at the waterfront. But the misinterpretation of the image itself is still fair game *as* one interpretation of the day, and how some people assumed other people might react to it. As it turns out the interesting thing about the Hoepker/Rich interpretation is that it projected onto the very day’s events attitudes that turned out to be, in the main, accurate: Not only have Americans “moved on” from 9/11, but the moving on has had something of the indifferent to it not unlike what floopmeister described from Vietnam on 9/11: America did change the channel and resumed its consumerist, America-first, relatively uninformed ways that had so richly contributed to its 9/11-enabling cluelessness.
    Third, the viewer’s judgment of the picture matters most in the end, even more than the photographer’s (or Rich’s) interpretation. Ideally, one would think that viewers are savvy enough never to take everything they see or read at face value without modulating the lot with their own interpretation based on their own experience, intelligence and so on. Critical judgment is where it’s at. But as BAGnews tells us in this very post, that’s rarely the case. So interpretation by others plays a disproportionately bigger role, and hugely so when the interpretation is the photographer’s, or someone like Rich, who has Delphic-Oracle-like stature. That doesn’t compel censure in any way: it only underscores the necessity of BAG-like balance.
    As a final thought, I can only imagine what the interpretation, say, of the picture of an individual walking out of a public toilet, with Lower Manhattan burning in the background, would have lent itself to. The individual who’s just relieved himself on 9/11 obviously wasn’t being indifferent, or vulgar, or oblivious: we all need to attend to those most basic needs even in the absolutely worst circumstances. That’s the absurdity of our lot. It’s also what makes us utterly (precisely) human. The callousness (if not arrogance) would be to ascribe demeaning judgments to that individual, had that picture been in fact part of the 9/11 narrative. In that sense, even if those individuals on the waterfront in Brooklyn had been talking baseball at that very moment, even if they had been chatting up a storm about some ridiculous story that had nothing to do with the event: what of it? Don’t we all deal with grief in unimaginably complex and paradoxical ways? It neither diminishes the likely anxieties they were feeling at the moment nor their awareness of the horror in front of their eyes. It merely makes them human.
    Then again, misinterpretation has been a hallmark of 9/11 from the moment the first plane hit the tower.

  • Aunt Deb

    Frank Rich isn’t a self-infatuated blowhard who gets paid an exorbitant sum for off-gassing: he’s just an American.

  • readytoblowagasket

    Pierre Tristam: “First, taking a photograph in public is an act comparable to a thought process; it’s not in itself anymore offensive, or actionable, than an individual’s glance in public regardless of the circumstances.”
    *Wrong*! Taking a photograph of a person without his/her permission *IS* actionable, especially when the photographer is a professional and intends to sell the image for commercial gain. You cannot violate people’s privacy or make them look bad with published photographs any more than you can with published words. Think about it. Why on earth would you assume the photographer has “rights” to own and display the images of private citizens? Well, he doesn’t; he needs their permission or he can be sued.
    http://www.apogeephoto.com/mag4-6/mag4-6model_releases.shtml

  • readytoblowagasket

    To Pierre Tristam: Sorry, as I was writing about photographers invading people’s privacy, I was thinking concurrently about the U.S. government’s invasion of our privacy and how Americans seem to be okay with that. It boggles my mind that privacy seems to have so little value, but maybe there’s a connection between the two situations (photographers or the government vs. private citizens) that I don’t understand.

  • http://www.pierretristam.com Pierre Tristam/Candide’s Notebooks

    Blown gasket, I’m afraid you’re too quick on the trigger. There is no invasion of privacy when a photographer takes pictures of individuals in public: merely by being in public, those individuals have given up their right to privacy. That’s not the case in Syria. But it is the case in the United States. It would be different if, for example, a photographer was scampering about someone’s yard and shooting a scene around the pool a-la-swimmer-in-a-John-Cheever-story. But that’s not the case in this 9/11 scene. I did qualify my words, however: there’s no question that *in some instances* but by any means not in all, the use of pictures for commercial gain without an individual’s permission can be, and ought to be, actionable. But again: those cases are themselves strictly defined. If I take a picture of seven thousand shoppers on Fifth Avenue at Christmas, some of whose dental work might be quite distinct, and then use that picture in a retrospective at the Museum of Modern Art, reprint it in a book, and have it make me a bit of money, there’s nothing actionable there, no requirement that I get a signed release from every one of those Fifth Avenue shoppers, the dentured ones among them. Similarly, if I’m a photographer for my local paper and I shoot a scene down the street, including, by the way, an accident scene with victims on the pavement, and have the bad taste to run that on the front page of my paper, there’s no privacy protection there either. I happen to be a privacy nut, but not a fanatic: we’re not a veiled society, figuratively or literally, nor would it be democratic of us to be so. And I think you’re confusing the doings of Dear Leader Kim Il Bush with our own still-considerable regard for others, and other nations’, “privacy,” as you put it. But if you’re going to take someone to task over matters of law and ethics, a little less of a dogmatic perspective, and a bit more of a reasoned one, might find us somewhere half-way across the Atlantic shaking hands instead of fencing off.

  • http://www.pierretristam.com Pierre Tristam/Candide’s Notebooks

    My apologies: In the comment above, obviously the first part was in response to Aunt Deb, and only the tail end in response to blown gasket.

  • readytoblowagasket

    Pierre Tristam: “There is no invasion of privacy when a photographer takes pictures of individuals in public: merely by being in public, those individuals have given up their right to privacy.”
    Sorry but you’re wrong (and wrongheaded) about this. One doesn’t “give up” their right to privacy to roaming photojournalists (or to any journalists) simply by stepping outside. Again, I don’t know where you get this notion, but it certainly doesn’t come from a knowledge of the law. There may be more leeway in public settings to *shoot* pictures, but there are restrictions on *publishing* those pictures, which is the point of discussion:
    “Even if people are photographed in public, beware of the context in which the picture is placed (such as an innocuous photo of recognizable teen-agers in a story about the rise of teen violence). Use caution when utilizing file footage or photographs to illustrate negative stories.”
    “In some states the commercial use of a photograph requires prior written consent.”
    “Public officials and public figures, and people who become involved in events of public interest, have less right to privacy than do private persons.”
    “A photograph may intrude into a persons seclusion without being published. Intrusion can occur as soon as the image is taken.”
    http://rcfp.org/photoguide/ninekeys.html
    http://rcfp.org/photoguide/
    I’m referring strictly to the image above, which was taken by a commercial photographer and published in a book. I don’t really care how you want to handle your photography show at MoMA.
    My comments about privacy and lawsuits are informed by my experience with publishing photographers’ work. Perhaps the lawyers at American publishing houses are neurotically cautious, but I will defer to their expertise over yours in matters of actionable grounds. Since I was trained by such dogmatic types regarding publishable works (again, as the photograph above), I’m going to stick by my dogmatic guns this time.

  • Cactus

    I don’t want to piss off rtbag, here, but back with “Pregnant Pause” post, I though this photo was more ‘American’ in the sense that this is what we do when confronted with an overwhelming reality. There is nothing these people can DO about it. The act has been done and they have seen it on TV but they want to go out and meet with others and talk about it. I’ve seen this after major earthquakes. We saw it happen after Katrina where people gathered under freeway underpasses in groups. It’s probably a human thing, but it certainly is an American thing. We seek the comfort of other Americans and want to talk about what we saw and how we feel and what we can do. This is a time when we talk to strangers we would otherwise not seek out. We hug our neighbors because they, like us, have survived whatever it was. This photo, these people, represent the all-American stoop, or front porch or driveway. There are no other people shown in this photo because the photographer has blocked this group off from any others who might be there by use of the trees and bushes on either side. The water in the background insures that no people will be coming from that side. The bridge is too far away to see if there is any traffic or people on it. The pilings lead our eye out toward the city, but they fail us in mid-water. As rtbag said, nothing is getting into the city.
    Perhaps New Yorkers could lighten up on us hinterfolk when it comes to things New York. My guess is that they were not nearly as upset as people in NOLA about Katrina, nor as Californians about Loma Prieta or Northridge earthquakes. In fact, it would surprise me if they even gave our earthquakes a second thought the day after.
    Someone said a couple of millennia ago that it’s easier to see a speck in another’s eye than to see the log in one’s own eye.
    Sidenote to MonsieurGonzo: Apropos de FIX: An art teacher of mine once said that Americans are the only people that will look at a painting by Klee or Degas and state that they can do that. His hypothesis was that we are still wrapped in the ethos of “the frontier” in that our ancestors set off into the wilderness and had to DO or FIX whatever happened. It’s a streak of self-reliance that, I’m sure, drives most Europeans nuts. As for taking or making a photograph…..The distinction that came to my mind was ‘taking’ would imply that a scene/subject is there and the photographer shoots when conditions she prefers are extant. ‘Making’ a photograph would imply, for me, more of a still life setup, where the photographer actually arranges objects to suit her compositional preference. This may be, again, a totally American POV. Whether I’m shooting street shots or models, I’m taking a photo. However, if I step into the photo and move the models around and physically pose them, then I’m making the photo because I have actually entered the process. Does that make any sense? But then, it’s a distinction probably no one else would make. However, in the long run, there is a part of the photographer in every shot she takes. Jerry Uelsmann said that he would teach us all of his ‘tricks’ because we could not copy his photographs since we are all individuals and that would change our photographs in many subtle ways from his and each others’.

  • readytoblowagasket

    Cactus said: “I don’t want to piss off rtbag, here, but . . .”
    You couldn’t if you tried, Cactus. That’s because what gets my goat is when people espouse/perpetuate erroneous views that are *injurious* to specific people. Thinking New Yorkers are rude, for example, is a) not erroneous, and b) not injurious. But thinking something like poor people in New Orleans deserved their Katrina woes (I’m not implying *you* espoused that, I’m just giving an example of what would get *my* goat) is both erroneous and ultimately injurious (because of the underlying classist and racist attitudes that inform such a view).
    What got my goat in Pierre Tristam’s comments (probably because I’ve had to correct it so often) is the erroneous notion that somehow we have no rights to privacy in the public realm, that everything is for the taking, just because a photographer (or the government, I extrapolated) feels like doing the “taking.” Mostly, though, I’m intrigued how Tristam’s notion fits with what Brian Rose said upthread: “Photography is by definition a predatory act. One is always stealing, appropriating, and intruding.” Certainly this is true of commercial photography.
    I think your own comment, “This photo, these people, represent the all-American stoop, or front porch or driveway” is *exactly right.* What I’m curious about is why Thomas Hoepker totally missed that, even five years later, even though these people do not appear “relaxed.” Hoepker says he is from Munich, so perhaps there is some cultural misread on Hoepker’s part? Do you have any thoughts about this?
    Regarding your comment: “My guess is that they were not nearly as upset as people in NOLA about Katrina, nor as Californians about Loma Prieta or Northridge earthquakes. In fact, it would surprise me if they even gave our earthquakes a second thought the day after.”
    I wasn’t in New York when the Loma Prieta or Northridge earthquakes happened, so I can’t say how NYers responded. But ever since 9/11, New Yorkers are gaining a reputation for generosity, literally *rushing* to the aid of others in need, whether after hurricanes in the Gulf, tornadoes in the Midwest, or wildfires in California. It’s like New Yorkers have gone berserk (volunteers planted 428 trees in Illinois after a devastating tornado; with guidance, I’m sure those energetic city slickers stuck the right end of the trees into the ground). That’s because New Yorkers feel profoundly indebted to the generous outpouring of help *we received* after 9/11 and want to repay that kindness. Thousands of Ordinary New Yorkers, doctors, lawyers, and educators have rolled up their sleeves to help in the Katrina/Rita-affected region (and beyond). So get ready to see a few busloads of bossy but well-intentioned fellow Americans from the Big Apple descend upon your state when the next damaging quake strikes.
    http://www.newyorksaysthankyou.org/
    http://www.nylawyer.com/display.php/file=/probono/news/05/100705b
    http://www.nycms.org/article_view.php3?view=1329&part=1
    http://steinhardt.nyu.edu/education/steinhardt/db/news/20059
    http://www.vlany.org/legalservices/katrina.php

  • ummabdulla

    Reading the discussion about whether or not people are entitled to some expectation of privacy in a public setting makes me think of the CCTV cameras. I’ve read that in London, you can expect to be seen on camera 300 times a day. I don’t think these cameras are so popular in the U.S., and Americans might protest more if they were, but some cities have installed many of them in certain areas, haven’t they? And often, they use some kind of facial recognition software to try to identify anyone wanted by law enforcement agencies. The argument is that if you’re in public, you’re not entitled to an expectation of privacy.

  • Cactus

    rtbag said: “…What I’m curious about is why Thomas Hoepker totally missed that, even five years later, even though these people do not appear “relaxed.” Hoepker says he is from Munich, so perhaps there is some cultural misread on Hoepker’s part? Do you have any thoughts about this?”
    It could very well be cultural. When one thinks of Germans relaxing, one gets a totally different mental picture than if one thinks of southern Italians relaxing. Also, the American front porch activity (and, indeed, the front porch itself) is disappearing in this country so perhaps new arrivals could be forgiven for not picking up on it. It’s kind of a mid-west/southern phenomenon from the pre-air conditioning era.
    Also, if one takes away the WTC/smoke factor, one could interpret the cyclers as relaxing, since they are not on the bikes and are, more or less, sitting. Further, if one assumes these people were in a bubble free of TV/radio, one could see them as relaxing on a biking break watching some curious smoke column. But, one would have to be making a lot of unreasonable assumptions.

  • PTate in MN

    This is probably too late, but I was struck by readytoblowagasket’s comment that “It boggles my mind that privacy seems to have so little value” in the context of photographer’s invading people’s privacy.
    The very concepts of “public” and “private” seem to me to be under assault nowadays. Behavior in public places–places shared by many people–seems to be in free fall. For example, people chatter away on cell phones when others have no option but to listen to their “private” conversations. People carry on conversations during movies or concerts. People smoke, listen to loud music, dress scantily, or engage in foreplay in the presence of others. Teenagers have blogs that record all kinds of misbehavior. We insist we have a right to do whatever we want, wherever we want–and if someone takes advantage of our self-exposure in public places, we complain about people not respecting our privacy.
    On this thread, we have heard that photographers have a “right” to take pictures of others in public places. This seems a different situation. When someone is in a public place, is he or she fair game for a photographer (or a government surveillance camera)? At one extreme this shot taken without the consent of the photographed–of unknown people seeming normal on an abnormal day. At the other extreme are pictures taken without the consent of a celebrity. So, does a papparazzi have a right to hound a celebrity? If a camera can reach it, is it ever private?

  • Cactus

    Hoping I won’t fall off this limb I’m about to climb out on…….I think the internet has changed this privacy thing and in many ways. When I was doing ’street’ photography including people, the rule was that if it was in a public area it was okay. Granted one was always on guard and tried to be as non-chalant as possible (especially when shooting the seamier areas of Hollywood) because one could easily wind up on one’s back in a deserted alley. Such images could be shown in a gallery, but publication might require a release. The chances that the object of the image would show up in the gallery to see it were remote. The photographer might show the image to cohorts and discuss it and, indeed, I was part of many, many of those discussions. Now, however, the image may be posted on the internet and people all over the world will have access to it, including the subject. An image that would have been seen by maybe 500 people (at most), may now actually be seen by hundreds of thousands. So now does it become a matter of privacy? What changed besides the number of people who saw it? Or are we, in an age of electronic surveillance, becoming more sensitive to issues of privacy? Or are we becoming more sensitive because we see other privileges and rights being taken away?
    I still come down on the side of when one is in public, one is public. ‘Tis best to follow momma’s advise and act at all times in public as if she were watching. If you want to pull a Paris Hilton in the middle of Sunset Blvd. you have no one to blame but yourself. However, at the other end of this, I do think that the paparazzi get emboldened and inured after years of such nefarious activities and that is when they take it too far and, on occasion, even endanger lives. If they are up in a tree (with or without permission) and shooting into a VIP’s back yard to get a naughty photo, they are wrong and SHOULD be liable to a lawsuit. And I doubt that the publications that use these photographs are really sticky about demanding releases. If they were, we wouldn’t keep seeing photos of “Oprah’s love child” or “Tom’s maybe baby.”
    I should also add here the TV effect with programs that try to fool someone in front of a hidden camera, or playing practical jokes on someone then broadcasting it around the world. This seems to me to be a meaner sort of activity and I think much less defensible.

  • jt from BC

    Cactus > “..TV effect with programs that try to fool someone in front of a hidden camera,”
    Candid Camera commenced on TV in 1948, this invasion of privacy started big time by *laughing at others*, as a child I thought this was cruel. Now its been elevated into big business,(surveillance) by promoting fear, looking for magic bullets as we allow the social structures around us to disintegrate.
    The paparazzi, the beautiful people and their check-out customers have a symbiotic relationship and are of little interest to me.
    Photography in the public square is something I haven’t thought much about, eg the finer points of public and private concerns.