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August 1, 2005

Your Turn: This Kingdom Is My Kingdom

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Last month, the Christian Broadcasting Network took up the cause of a U.S. Christian flag.

The proposed design was created by Marcia Thompson Eldreth of Cecil County, Md., and was inspired by a sermon she heard in church.  It is intended to replace the international Christian flag (which Ms. Eldreth describes as “crisp and dignified, but politely cold”).  This version is supposed to be flown alongside the stars and stripes.

Christian flag website.

For background and clarification, here is the artist’s explanation of the elements:

The eagle carrying the cross represents the American Christian taking the gospel around the world declaring Christ’s shed blood for the people.

The Purple represents His royalty, the White represents His purity, the Red represents His shed blood, and the Blue represents His bruises.

The 50 stars that create the border of the flag represent all the Christians of the United States banding together to protect our right to preach the gospel and to protect our Christian heritage.

The Scriptures are Matthew 24:4 “take heed no man deceive you” and Matthew 24:14 “and this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world ……and then shall the end come”.

I am interested in your analysis (especially since I’ve left on vacation by now.  See below).

  • Mike Daniels

    The first thing that comes to mind is that’s one big eagle to be able to carry a cross that can support a man.
    In fact, that’s probably its purpose: to show that the eagle symbol (nationalism) dominating and controlling the cross (religion).
    Indeed an eagle is often considered to be a war-like bird while Jesus is often shown to be a peaceful dove. This shows a distinct subversion of the religion.
    Other things to consider: The cross is usually shown upright. In this case, it’s shown at an angle. Additionally, it’s usually shown alone or supporting the body of Christ. To have an eagle carrying it implies it no longer stands for itself but it’s something (a weapon or at least a tool) to be used.
    In the U.S. seal, the eagle is shown with thirteen arrows in one claw and an olive branch with thirteen berries in the other, each symbolizing war and peace. As well, it’s at rest.
    In this flag, the eagle carries a bloodstained cross in both claws while it flies to the right.
    It’s quite unsettling to look at this and consider its implications.

  • mugatea

    The Bald Eagle is a scavenger. Much like a vulture, it feeds off of dead or dying animals, fish, and birds – whatever it can find, it’s no hunter. The Eagle is indeed a beutiful bird but I don’t think a scavenger represents Christianity well, or does it?
    Good eye on the blood stains on the cross, Mike. That’s probably why the eagle picked it up.
    I give this flag two talons down.

  • MonsieurGonzo

    imagine that you cannot read English, or cannot read, period. you live in some tribal-village context, and see this flag symbol thingy.
    a bunch of foreigners, white people with “lots of cargo”, in the lingo of Guns, Germs and Steel ~ plant this flag symbol thingy in your village, or perhaps they plaster it on a wall, or maybe it’s nose art on the noisy helicopter that brought the strange white people to your village.
    OK. you know animals pretty good (you live among them). you know that this eagle-bird creature is a bird of prey, some kind of carrion-feeding, vulture-like animal.
    and you know that a crucifix is a killing device, like a hangman’s noose or an executioner’s axe: you know that tyrants and warlords use these kinds of things to punish or just plain terrorize people into submission.
    uh-huh. So, you and your local folks look at this image and see that this menacing bird is carrying a bloody killing thing. a crowd of locals gather around it, wondering WTH it all means.
    the white people with “lots of cargo” struggle through some local interpreter to tell you:
    ” this guy Jesus, he loved you. but this guy who loved you, he died on this killing post that’s being carried by this carrion-eating bird of prey.”
    well, that’s a bummer, you and the other villagers say. and by the way, who are you white people? the interpreter tells the white people, “they say ‘that’s a bummer.’ they say, ‘who are you?’ ”
    the white people tell you, “Oh, we’re from the land of the Eagle,” they point to the bird, “that’s US. we’re called, Americans.”
    much excitement in the village! the interpreter struggles to pick out one voice among so many in the crowd. finally he tells the white people: “they say, ‘why you Americans kill Jesus who loved them?!!’ they say, ‘are you going to kill them, too?’ “

  • http://orwellsgrave.blogspot.com Stephen McArthur

    The new flag sends one message very clearly: American Christianity, and only American fundamentalist born-again Christianity, is the only acceptable Christianity. The first so-called Christian flag (you can see it at the BAG link), which claims to be in 244,000 churches, comes across as very non-denominational. It doesn’t say whether the old flag is used in other countries, but it does say it was first conceived in the United States.
    This new proposed flag asserts American fundamentalist Christianity as the true religion. The American bald eagle holding the cross and the end-times Bible passages could not make it more starkly clear that this is a flag only for those who are saved.

  • bg

    And that separation of church and state thing?
    I wonder what is the protocol of flying a flag aside or below the S and S? Is permission or official blessing required? Can I make a flag and fly it just for the hell of it? Why doesn’t everyone make a flag and do this? What about a pagan flag or a flag for the NRA or for my cats?

  • http://www.livejournal.com/users/vicfitz82 Victor F

    it looks like Japan’s flag with a border thrown around it. There’s all that trapped white/negative space: a classic design faux-pas anybody will learn in the most basic design courses. Running a dark border around trapped white space will only create more distraction in terms of design. In Japan’s flag, at least the whie space isn’t trapped by a border. It’s free to spread at its own will, whereas in this flag it’s penned in by a border. If the white symbolises Christ’s purity and the border represents the believers in the US, it seems indeed that only Americans are able to decide what Christianity is. It also makes for bad design, as I find this flag very hard to look at. There are too many layers and the design is heavily influenced by text. Hardly the kind of symbol people outside the US would understand.

  • http://www.visual-voice.net susan

    It’s simply a bad design. I’d file this under Christian Bumper Sticker Art.

  • RomanticOtaku

    “Protecting our Christian heritage”? Are these the same group of morons who think this country was founded on Christianity?
    OI! IT’S CALLED AGE OF ENLIGHTENMENT!
    Besides, that line, “Christian heritage” sounds too close to “Aryan Heritage”.

  • black dog barking

    Does the border of stars keep the faithful in? Keep the faithless / infidel out?
    The King James diction and fonts subliminally ( and fondly? ) recall the tyranny of the English crown.
    This is an odd world view that seeks to avenge the death of Christ while ignoring the words of Christ, at least the words about peace and neighbor loving.

  • http://cronus.com Mr. Hepburn

    I think it’s perfect. It should be tattooed on every Christian Evangelist’s right arm. Then His people shall be known for what they are… dumb-ass dominionists with a penchant for crowded, nasty, violent, yet kooky symbolism of the lowest order.

  • Martin

    I’m confused. Why is this “flag” necessary? The other day, we discussed the US national flag, which is already in service to spread the American way of life – and death – around the world, thanks to a born-again leader. Also confused by the symbolism. In the past, I always understood that the Christ had carried his cross, so why mut now a bird carry it? Please Lord do not let the bird drop it on my head!

  • pjr

    How big would that flag need to be to show an American anti-semitic Jesus, smoting gays, feminists, Liberals, intellectuals and atheists with a flaming cross blazing with Arab oil? Guess Old Glory isn’t representative enough for true Christofascists.

  • TF-MA

    Oh crap . . . this means ANOTHER flag burning bill probably with a death penalty rider attached. LOVE the cultcha of strife, er, life!

  • PTate in MN

    Oh, this is so much fun! Monsieur Gonzo–I tried looking at it as if I didn’t speak English. It looked to me like a variation of a bullseye with the Eagle and blood-stained cross as the target. So, speaking no English, I interpret the semiotics as “kill the Eagle and blood-stained cross.”
    The design is terrible, but may reflect the mind of the fundamentalist Christian: Their thinking is cluttered, distracted. They don’t use the graphics to highlight the core elements, and the proportions are all wrong. The flag has a bunch of conventional elements arranged to assert a text-based story to soothe the anxieties of members of an in-group. And the story it tells isn’t even the Christian story. It is something else: The design reflects paranoia, parched imaginations and an inability to comprehend the lavish and loving fullness of the divine.
    They see the black borders with the white stars as protecting the Christian heritage. I see it as their prison wall: These people are imprisoned by their beliefs.
    Their choice of Bible verse astonishes me: “Take heed no man deceive you…?” carried on a banner in the mouth of the Eagle??!? That verse is NOT a core text at any time and place in Christian history. Yet that is placed in the symbolically important center of the flag. It is even ironic, given that these folks are so deceived that they think they are Christian.
    It is just a shame: Once Christianity inspired Michaelangelo and Raphael.

  • Martin

    Christofascists? If I remember correctly from my school lessons, the Nazi and Communist ideologies were seen as totalitarian, whereas fascism was a somewhat weaker version, not thoroughly totalitarian. Are religious fundamentalists totalitarian? Are the extremist Christians, Muslims and Jews (to mention but a few…) capable of allowing a measure of freedom, or are they bent on controling all aspects of our lives? The flag depicted suggests a total control, with the bloody cross about to smite any dissenter, and the United States’ eagle controling the Cross… so, I think that the term “Christofascist” is a bit feeble, I would prefer “Nazis for Jesus”. Is it not true also that these people wish to provoke armageddon, so as to destroy Judaism as a religion?

  • Gasho

    The new American Empire flag specifically evoking the END OF THE WORLD seems a bit ominous. Suddenly the mission of the US is to deliver the message of Jesus and bring about the End Times ?!
    Who is writing this story now? Surely this “flag” concept is very far fetched. Right?
    In Germany (and maybe the rest of Europe?) an envelope or letter with a black border represents a death notice. (They do that so you can sit down – and you’re not shocked when you open it.) How will that culture interpret this “flag”?
    I’ve only seen the 3 sided border on a flag one other place: Tibet’s flag. It has a yellow border on 3 sides. Very asymetrical, and aesthetically displeasing in my mind. What a contrast between Buddhist Tibetans and Right Wing Fascist Christian End-Times Americans!

  • Asta

    “Take heed no man deceive you” — how ironic.
    The Great Deceiver sits in the Oval Office (or maybe he’s at Crawford clearing brush) and tells lie after lie after lie.
    Do the pseudo-quasi-Christians simply not understand the meaning of deception?

  • Alex Roper

    The center phrase is very illogical, does anyone understand what it’s supposed to symbolize? “Take heed that no man deceive you” makes little sense in any interpretation I can think of of this so-called flag (The whole point of a flag is that it doesn’t use words, it uses symbols).
    I also fail to see why a “Christian” flag is needed for America, and strongly suspect it will instead become the swastika of the Southern Baptists and friends. I find it hard to imagine most Christians in America flying this.

  • PTate in Mn

    The context of “Take heed that no man deceive you” is that of the Day of Judgment, Christ’s second coming when he will judge the quick and the dead, when “Heaven and Earth will pass away.”
    In the passage in Matthew, Christ assures “the elect” that terrible things are about to happen, and warns them that they need to guard against false prophets and stick it out until the End: “…you will hear of wars and rumors of wars…nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences and earthquakes in various places. All these are the beginning of sorrows. Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake….For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.”
    It is quite frightening. The rest of us are trying to live peaceable lives, trying to build a just society and preserve the earth, and they are longing for the final judgment. The command to “not be deceived” gives them license to close their minds to any and all actual reality.
    And THIS is proposed to be the Christian flag???

  • Indigo

    I was struck by the same image of the death notice letter as Gasho: “…an envelope or letter with a black border represents a death notice.” Along with the frightening mindset of Apocalyptic loving Christians (which I admit I cannot fathom that desire, nor the focus on a symbol of death and torture to represent a faith) — guarantees that outside of those right-wing fanatics, the plain symbolism of this flag spells fear: the Death Bringers. It is a terrible design, artistically and thematically — and perhaps that gives me hope that it will be rejected.
    Let us re/turn to a culture of peace.

  • PTate in MN

    Indigo…“Death Bringers”
    Perhaps, a la Harry Potter, we could call fundamentalists “Death Eaters”? Heh.

  • MonsieurGonzo

    MG: …much excitement in the village! the interpreter struggles to pick out one voice among so many in the crowd. finally he tells the white people: “they say, ‘why you Americans kill Jesus who loved them?!!’ they say, ‘are you going to kill them, too?’ “
    PTate in MN: …looking at it as if I didn’t speak English. It looked to me like a variation of a bullseye with the Eagle and blood-stained cross as the target…
    The wise old tribal Chief tells the villagers, “I know what this means! I remember 9 moon cycles ago, another great iron bird came down from the sky; out of it came other white people with lots of cargo and they gave us “guns” and taught our warriors how to use them with these things called, “targets”. these white people, they said they were from land of “N.R.A.”
    ” This is a great omen!” said the wise old Chief. “this danger is foretold, and our warriors are prepared. We must avenge the death of Jesus who loved us!”
    ” I command you: kill the white people from the land of the eagle in the target!
    ^_^

  • Tracy

    To me, the flag as a whole is reminiscent of Klan symbolism and the font of Nazism-White Supremacy. Scary.

  • http://profile.typekey.com/Grumpy/ Grumpy

    Violates the following rules from the flag-grading site:
    -Do not write on your flag.
    -Do not put a picture of anything on your flag.
    -Too busy.
    -Hideous colors.
    -Too many stars.
    Definitely an ‘F’.
    http://ahpc-jp30.st-and.ac.uk/~josh/flags/intro.html
    susan: “I’d file this under Christian Bumper Sticker Art.”
    Like the image of George W. Bush praying, while the ghosts of Washington & Lincoln lay their hands on him? Creepy.

  • http://crazydaisy.us Kerstin

    Gasho: The flag concept is not as far-fetched as we want to believe. The Dominionists have gained in numbers over the last 20 years and they take their end times seriously. I recommend the Yurica Report for anyone who needs a quick primer:
    http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/DirectoryRiseOfDominionismInAmerica.html
    Take their oath. I laughed the first time I read it thinking how “out there” it must be. Then I read the rest of Yurica’s site. If we don’t take this threat seriously, we’re in terrible trouble.
    “I pledge allegiance to the Christian flag, and to the Savior for whose kingdom it stands. One Savior, crucified, risen and coming again, with life and liberty for all who believe.”
    From “The Crusaders: Christian Evangelicals Are Plotting to Remake America in Their Own Image” by Bob Moser:
    http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/ChristiansPlotToRemakeAmerica.html

  • http://www.livejournal.com/users/fuming_mucker/ Darryl Pearce

    …how wide-spread is the support for such a flag? Eeesh.
    I’m starting to avoid all kinds of symbology. How …so …very …Quaker-ish of me.

  • http://goingape.blogspot.com Nicole

    Yeesh, this is the scariest thing I’ve ever seen.

  • cj

    This looks like an international warning label…Beware an eagle carrying a cross. Is it just my twisted imagination or do the two sets of words contradict each other? OK, “let no man deceive you”–says to me that we shouldn’t rely on any “man’s” words. “And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached…” Well now, WHO is doing the preaching? That human cadre of born again right wing neo-con evangelistas. This flag is a cryptic (and desperate) plea from one on the inside (maybe Cheney looking to get out!) trying to warn the rest of us. The enigma has been cracked–don’t listen to them and their deceptive words….! Have a nice day.

  • Wally Ballou

    It is intended to replace the international Christian flag (which Mrs. Eldreth describes as “crisp and dignified, but politely cold”).
    In some ways, a comparison of the two flags is a perfect metaphor for the division between “mainline” and “evangelical” Protestantism in the U.S.

  • Sarah

    This flag could trigger a migraine.

  • http://www.lananfrank.net/lana/ amanuensis

    Indigo – great catch on the black border = correspondence of death. It is perhaps the only erudite element of the design. The rest, is as blunt as a two-day-old biscuit upside the head.
    So, we have a border of death, an instrument of death, two biblical portents of armageddon, and a bird of prey. Oh, and blood.
    Yes, this is much less politely-cold. Perhaps some burning flames of hell shall warm it up even more?
    But, the thing that struck me most immediately about this symbol, is the over-active use of color. Symbols should use minimal color; two colors, or three at most.
    Here we have:
    Black
    White
    Light Blue
    Purple
    Red
    Dark Brown
    Light Brown
    Yellow
    Eight colors, at least.

  • guy incognito

    It is, you must admit, an ideal design for today’s politicized evangelicals: ugly, bellicose, incoherent, and lacking utterly in sensitivity or taste.

  • http://profile.typekey.com/Grumpy/ Grumpy

    In addition to both phrases being written in unreadable fonts, the Matthew verse is additionally distorted by being two separate fragments spliced together out of context.
    Funny how dozens of world flags incorporate Christian crosses in their designs, but none of them thought to represent an actual wooden cross with blood on it.
    Could I rearrange these design elements into something more pleasing? Let’s try this: instead of dark bars as a border, move the dark bars to the hoist side. Limit the number of stars — maybe three for the Trinity. Instead of grim black, put your purple there. On the remaining white field, splash a large red cross, like the inverse of the Swiss or Danish flags. If you must, include an eagle, but only a simple black silhouette.
    There’s a flag that sends the same message: that the USA is on Jesus’ side, and we’re both comin’ to getcha!

  • http://cadmus.blogspot.com/ victor falk

    It’s even worse than the “New Iraq” flag, from both a vexillogical and ideological point view.

  • Stromcloud08

    My first impression was that it was a new version of the Flag of the South during the Civil War.
    Otherwise yes to everything else that has been said here…. What was so wrong with those ubiquitous John 3:16 posters we see at every televised game? God so LOVED the world…??
    BTW though, the bald eagle is certainly a hunter where I come from – Vancouver BC. They spend a lot of time high in the sky here circling over the water. I was privileged once to see one out my window crash into the ocean and come up with a huge salmon!! It took a while for it to reach cruising altitude with that sucker. Come to think of it, isn’t a fish another symbol for Christ?
    Anyhoo, the new flag speaks more to Junior Bush’s present Crusade than it does to any mission Jesus claimed to be on. If he keeps on doing whatever he feels like doing – viz. the Boltin’ appt – it WILL be the end of the world!!

  • PTate in Mn

    amanuensis:“So, we have a border of death, an instrument of death, two biblical portents of armageddon, and a bird of prey. Oh, and blood.”
    You neatly sum up why we feel so disturbed by this ugly, ugly visual image.
    Thanks!

  • D. Joseph

    Jesus effin Christ (pun absolutely intended). Who the hell do these Christians think they are? Answer: many items already explained above; fascists, supremecists, and the self righteous. So this flag is a fitting symbol for them.
    Can’t wait to be left behind.

  • zatopa

    I also notice that while the author takes pains to point out the symbolic importance of red and purple, there’s no blue. Message to any blue-state types think we’re either Americans, or Christians: die, you deceiving, traitorous spawn of Satan. You never existed in God’s America!

  • http://www.ChurchoftheFrontPorch.blogspot.com Victoria Love

    …and then shall the end come.
    It is a death cult. Scary.

  • Jan Jones

    Not surprising this flag was conceived here in Cecil County, MD, home to a very large chapter of the KKK, whose very shitty quality website http://www.kkk.com boasts “Proclaiming a Message of hope and deliverance for White Christian America!” Ms. Eldreth is no doubt a card carrying member. God knows they surely need hope and deliverance!

  • Rafael Pinero

    Seems to be overly militaristic. The bald eagle is a beautiful bird (I seen mre than a few up close) but it is still a raptor, and one clutching a bloody cross like that reminds me of eagles with bloody fish caracasses between their claws when they hunt, in other words, it fits the neo-christians to a tee, they are not defending christianity, the are preying on it.
    Besides, the point about been a Christian is that JESUS gave his life for our sins, not his followers. It seems to elevate all neo-christians (living or dead) to a mesionic ideal.

  • mugatea

    Stromcloud08. I checked my bird guide and it said “often scavenger”. Thanks for making me pick up my bird-book. That’s cool you saw an eagle in action like that. While driving in Maine, just off the coast, I drove around a quick bend in the road and almost collided with a juvinile bald eagle. I was going 60, it was snackin’ on some summertime roadkill – I braked and it jumped back to take off just in time to go right over the hood, windshield, sunroof … we were eye to eye at the windshield with its wings filling my view. I was grateful to not have my kayak or bike above as I often do on that road. The book also says they have a wing span of 80 inches. Jesus Christ! The bald eagles in Maine circle the water there too, never seen them take anything out of the water. They fight with the osprey, I should say the osprey fight with them, quite a show.

  • neco

    For some odd reason it looks like a placemat to me. The placemet of some crazy fundie with its circular area to have the plate and nice little border. Definitely not a good flag though. I was looking at the world flags on the website mentioned by a previous poster (http://ahpc-jp30.st-and.ac.uk/~josh/flags/intro.html). Amazing really, the number of flags in the world that have crosses. Perhaps the group should just borrow one of those since they are much nicer and make more sense symbolically.
    The cross itself is an unusual symbol for the christians to use. A symbol of torture and death, with its unequal arms it is unbalanced and weak. Really, the equal-armed cross is a much better symbol.
    BTW, does the image say copyright 2003? Kinda old, isn’t it? Why is it surfacing now?

  • http://kalamazoopride.blogspot.com Newsguy

    Black, white and red are the most prominent colors, which were favored by the Nazis. Black swastika in a white circle surrounded by red. In fact, there’s the circle, also.

  • PTate in MN

    Newsguy: Nice catch with the echoes of the Nazi flag.
    And ditto stromcloud99, the stars in the border definitely evoke the Confederate Flag.
    I am intriqued by the possibility that we are seeing the visual “archtypes” of the right wing authoritarian personality.

  • jawbone

    Just went to the Christian flag web site and noticed it has the dark border with stars all around the flag, not with one open side as it appears on my PC.
    I think the band is blue or navy, so there is blue there.
    Home page closes with “Let us make a Wave offering to our Lord!”
    Comments above all very interesting, but, phewwwwww, creeps me out. Fascinating, but creepy. Doesn’t seem like the Christianity I was raised with.

  • zatopa

    In my earlier comment, I was wrong about there not being any blue. If you go to the website for the flag people, you can see some photos of the flag in action (being marched in parades, saluted by a tot, etc.) and it’s pretty clear there that the background color of the edge band is dark blue, not black.
    Not that that changes the message of the flag, though.

  • Quentin

    Militant christianity is nauseating. Adults who invent such aberrations are disordered and perverting childrern. They need to listen to children for salvation and enlightenment. Generalissimo Franco would definitely have approved. I cannot spend anymore time on these frightening people-haters.

  • Dan Craig

    The eagle carrying the cross also looks strikingly similar to the eagle carrying a rifle on the National Rifle Association seal.

  • http://www.strangechord.com Emily

    Ditto on the NRA seal. At first glance, I thought the eagle was carrying a rifle and thaat this was a new NRA or gun-enthusiast group seal. Then again, I’m sure there are quite a few overlapping devotees.

  • http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah%2036:12&version=9; yossarian

    I wish Christians would use this scripture from the book of Isaiah, chapter 36, verse 12 for their self-righteous i need to spread gods fantastic word to poor people so they can shove a collection plate under their nose while they’re bored out of their skull engaging in obscure rituals, closing your eyes and imagining talking to god:
    But Rabshakeh said, Hath my master sent me to thy master and to thee to speak these words? hath he not sent me to the men that sit upon the wall, that they may eat their own dung, and drink their own piss with you?
    Honest to… god.
    Check the URL.

  • http://CelebrateVida.typepad.com Meg

    Someone asked: “The center phrase is very illogical, does anyone understand what it’s supposed to symbolize? ‘Take heed that no man deceive you’ makes little sense in any interpretation I can think of of this so-called flag.”
    That might be the most important part of all. It’s the obligatory swipe at the liberal media and elitist intellectuals who might try to talk some sense into you.
    Scary stuff.
    Meg

  • guy incognito

    Meg: That might be the most important part of all. It’s the obligatory swipe at the liberal media and elitist intellectuals who might try to talk some sense into you.

    Not to mention “false” (read: non-fundy) Christians.

  • Quentin

    ‘Be on your guard’, children. Remember, little children don’t take candy from strangers. Little children, listen only to us christians of a particular persuasian. Little children, always remain the little children of your small-minded elders for eternity. In short, make sure no one ever deceives you, you never learn new or different ideas. The eleventh commandment: stay ignorant.

  • http://www.operationbandtogether.org Marcia Thompson Eldreth

    I am real glad the recognition of the blue was printed in the blog verses the black.
    Correction…not meant to replace the International Christian Flag. That is stated on the website. We still umbrella under that flag.
    Several asked what the “take heed no man deceives you” is in reference to.
    It is in reference that the end will come. The life as we knew it. As sure as Christ came the first time, He is coming again to set up His kingdom. Every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess that Jesus is LORD.
    Your blog has blessed me. Christ said when men persecute you and say all manner of evil against you falsely for my name sake, great is your reward. KKK? pleeeease, not me, far be it from me.
    I do not expect all to understand or to “get it.” I have, however; been surprised and this has been a learning process for me. This flag really has no place flying in a tribal village somewhere off unless there were missionaries there from America telling the gospel and feeding and clothing in the name of Christ.
    Please, no nasty emails. Go about life and do what you can for the good of all. Pointing the finger and welding accusations just makes for a miserable existance. In Christ’s Name you have been told of His second coming. No harm is done to you.
    With Christian Love, I am, Marcia Thompson Eldreth

  • feckless

    Thanks Marcia,
    I’d completely missed out on that whole Jesus thing, he came once and now he’s going to be back? cool!
    thanks for filling me in on this, ’cause all this christmas stuff, religious radio and tv had left me yearning for more information. I had thought that from those sources that care for the poor was the greatest concern of any follower of this “christ”. Now I see how a buzzard with some sticks and cryptic references to the end of the world supports that.

  • smasher

    It looks like the eagle ate Christ’s body, and is now carrying the cross somewhere else to nail more people up and eat them, too.
    America: the Eagle that Ate Christianity.
    I guess it’s a good warning flag.

  • tomz

    Just the new and improved version of the Crusades. The eagle should be carrying a rifle as that’s how we work these days. We instill religion at the end of a gun.

  • http://profile.typekey.com/Biff/ Biff Usually

    Wow!
    The creepy reply by the creepy flag’s creepy creator just makes it all the more creepy.
    “Please, no nasty emails”
    Yeah, why would she expect that?

  • Lo Ping Wong

    Closing that italics tag, yo.

  • Tony Manos

    The eagle is an unclean bird and should not be associated with our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. The original Christian flag that was created approx 100 years ago is great in that it stands for itself (Christ)and is universally understandable. The proposed “flag” by Eldreth is unique and is a very intersting piece of art work, but should not be used to symbolize the peace, love and mercy that is our Savior, Jesus Christ.
    Peace,
    Tony Manos

  • masa

    this flag is a gaudy, light-bright affair with the freshness of a Native American Flag, in imitation only. The different colors and angles.
    In message, it is quite a different story. Its mention of “the end” is telling. It has a lot of white, less red, and no blues. Its blues turned to the pschizophrenic purple, not hot OR cold. Super churches abound as super max prisons. Where’s the charity and love from these persons?

  • http://www.cafepress.com/reconquistador Nezahualimón Johnsettia

    Gotta love people with GOD in they heart.

  • Armonia

    The eagle is a symbol of many cultures, including those called “pagans”. The eagle symbolizes the sky (sun) and the serpent the mother earth. Some of the many countries that have an eagle in their flag, coat or other national symbol are the following: Albania, Mexico, USA, Irak, Poland, Germany, Spain, etc.
    The eagle was a patriarchal symbol and the snake/serpent/dragon a matriarchal. Some time in long past history matriarchal way of life was attacked by patriarchal invaders.
    The Apocalypsis is a copy of the battle between Marduk, the patriarchal god, against the Goddess of Babylon. The mexican flag despict an eagle with an snake on its peak.
    The sun/eagle gods were patriarchal, mostly meat eaters and nomads; the snake/serpent/dragon matriarchal, agricultural and sedentary. Sometime in long past history those patriarchal nomads decided to settle down by invading and taking away the land of matriarchal groups. Then, all matriarchal symbols (and women were lowered in rank).
    The single-virgen-mother is the earth. Her sacrificed-heroe-son is the wheat, maize or other crop. Every harvest the son is sacrificed to save humans, to be reborn next planting season.
    The trinity is the Storm-God (rain, thunder, ray) that gives life to earth by wetting the agricultural fields and takes life away by tornados and flouds.
    The only religion is: Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not invade other people land, Do not rape, and do into others like you would like people do into you. The rest, is just mythology.

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