Comments on: Punching Up The Orange http://www.bagnewsnotes.com/2005/06/punching-up-the-orange/ Reading the Pictures — Visual politics and the analysis of news images Mon, 13 Feb 2012 05:58:38 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: alonso http://www.bagnewsnotes.com/2005/06/punching-up-the-orange/#comment-115682 alonso Sun, 05 Aug 2007 02:46:36 +0000 http://bnn.weightshift.com/2005/06/punching-up-the-orange/#comment-115682 We sell all kind of electronics,mobile phones,ipods,games,pda,gps,pioneer cdj,plasma tv,laptops,they are all brand new in good condition,with a year international warranty, our contact email address..... alonsoglobal@gmail.com alonsoglobal@yahoo.com tevezinternational@gmail.com Nokia n99 for $350usd Nokia e90 for $300usd Nokia 8800 diamond edition for $400usd Nokia 8800 lamborghini edition for $500usd Nokia n93i for $320usd Nokia n800 for $300usd Nokia n75 for $290usd Nokia e62 for $300usd Nokia n95 for $280usd Nokia n83 for $190usd Nokia n73 for $175usd Nokia n93 for $240usd Nokia n92 for $200usd Nokia n80 for $180usd Nokia n71 for $1800usd Nokia n91 for $190usd Nokia n90 for $180usd Nokia n70 for $170usd Nokia 6265i for $220usd Nokia 6101 for $190usd Nokia 7390 for $280usd Nokia 7380 for $180usd Nokia 7370 for $160usd Nokia 7360 for $150usd Nokia 6102 for $100usd Nokia e70 for $280usd Nokia e61 for $260usd Nokia 3250 for $250usd Nokia 6280 for $220usd Nokia 6270 for $200usd Nokia 6600 for $100usd Samsung serene for $250usd Samsung p850 for $120usd Samsung d500 for $110usd Samsung d600 for $140usd Samsung d900 for $170usd Samsung scgh i3000 $150usd Samsung e800 $100usd Samsung x830 for $230usd Samsung b600 for $250usd Samsung d930 for $230usd Samsung u700 for $330usd Samsung u600 for $300usd Samsung i400 for $280usd Samsung p110 for $310usd Samsung i710 for $300usd Sony ericssson w830i for $270usd Sony ericssson k790i for $250usd Sony ericsson z1010 for $185usd Sony ericsson w950i for $170usd Sony ericcson p990 for $150usd Sony ericsson w900 for $150usd Sony ericsson w600 for $135usd Sony ericsson p910i for $100usd Sony ericsson p900 for $150usd sony ericsson v600i for $120usd Sony ericssson w800i for $150usd Sony ericssson k800i for $200usd Sony ericsson z750 for $350usd Sony ericsson w580 for $320usd Sony ericsson w880 for $320usd Sony ericsson k810 for $290usd Sagem my-x8 20usd for $130usd Motorola w395 for $370 usd Motorola w380 for $350usd Motorola RIZR Z8 FOR $320USD Motorola KRKR K3 FOR $300USD Motorola Qqp for $280usd Motorola w510 for $250usd Motorola v8 for $180usd Motorola v600 for $90usd Motorola v3 for $150usd Motorola rokr e1 for $160usd Motorola v3c for $180usd Motorola slvr l7 for $180usd Motorola q for $250usd Nextel i930 for $130usd Nextel i860 for $112usd Nextel i870 for $140usd Pamtero 600 for $145usd Pamtero 650 for $170usd Treo 650 for $150usd Treo 700 for $210usd Treo 750 for $250usd Eten m 500 for $140usd Eten m 600 for $200usd Eten glofish m 700 for $200usd Dvx-pod for $40usd Apple iphone for $290usd Qtek 9600 for $260usd Sick kick for $130usd Side kick ii for $145usd Side kick iii for $180usd i-mate jaq3 for $270usd i-mate jas jar for $150usd i-mate jam for $200usd i-mate k jam for $250usd I-mate ultimate 9150 for $380usd I-mate ultimate 8150 for $350usd I-mate ultimate 5150 for $300usd I-mate JAQ4 for $290usd BenQ Siemens sl80 for$170 BenQ Siemens e7i for $180 BenQ Siemens e81 for $200 BenQ Siemens c81 for $200 BenQ Siemens s88 for $190 BenQ Siemens p51 for $170 HTC P4350 for $240 HTC p3600 for $230 HTC TYTN for $250 HTC 3300 for $220 HTC s620 for $240 HTC advantage x7500 for $300 HTC s710 for $280usd Tomtom Go 700 GPS Navigator....$300 TomTom GO 300 All-In-One... $200 TomTom Rider GPS Navigator...$230 Unitech PA960 for $500usd Unitech PT600 for $460usd Unitech PT930MSR $540usd TopGun for $600usd Symbol MC50 Enterprise Digital Assistant for $370usd Wasp MobileInventory Combo Pack with SPT1800 - 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]]> By: Sarah http://www.bagnewsnotes.com/2005/06/punching-up-the-orange/#comment-115681 Sarah Mon, 02 Jul 2007 08:13:07 +0000 http://bnn.weightshift.com/2005/06/punching-up-the-orange/#comment-115681 Grr... why am i just finding all of this now? Looks like I missed the party. If I block out everything I just spent the last hour or so reading, I can go back to my original interpretation of this picture, from a mother's perspective. If I was truly in fear for my life, I would be shielding my baby (who as someone else pointed out, would probably have picked up on my own fear and been more afraid also) against the wall, with his head ducked down rather than peering over either shoulder. I see in her stance and face more a picture of submission to those in the room that clearly have the upper hand. As a mother, this would probably be the most clear-thinking and/or instinctual response to having my home searched, especially if I truly didn't have anything to hide (or at least trusted that nothing would be found.) I also think she looks as though she thinks the photo is being taken of the soldier, and is attempting to be clear of the shot without really being able to move freely from where she is standing. She does have a solid hold on the baby, and a closed stance, overall. For good reason it appears that she does not altogether trust either the soldier or the photographer, but has at least a thread of a belief that it will soon pass. The stance of that particular soldier is not overly threatening either. You could try making him into a poster child for all that is evil in this war (ahem... lytom) but using this particular image that way seems at least as dishonest as anything else that has been suggested here. Frankly, there are Katrina photos of our own soldiers looking far more menacing toward our own citizens, whose only potential crime was attempting to survive. I'd love to see the other photos that are just her and her child. Whether shielding insurgents or not, she's a real person doing what she feels she must, no doubt with her own child in mind. This war is sooooo not a video game. I hope similar pictures are being found and introduced into our high school history and government classes. Wonder if googling would show any of Alan's photographs being used in educational materials... Grr… why am i just finding all of this now? Looks like I missed the party. If I block out everything I just spent the last hour or so reading, I can go back to my original interpretation of this picture, from a mother’s perspective.
If I was truly in fear for my life, I would be shielding my baby (who as someone else pointed out, would probably have picked up on my own fear and been more afraid also) against the wall, with his head ducked down rather than peering over either shoulder. I see in her stance and face more a picture of submission to those in the room that clearly have the upper hand. As a mother, this would probably be the most clear-thinking and/or instinctual response to having my home searched, especially if I truly didn’t have anything to hide (or at least trusted that nothing would be found.)
I also think she looks as though she thinks the photo is being taken of the soldier, and is attempting to be clear of the shot without really being able to move freely from where she is standing. She does have a solid hold on the baby, and a closed stance, overall. For good reason it appears that she does not altogether trust either the soldier or the photographer, but has at least a thread of a belief that it will soon pass.
The stance of that particular soldier is not overly threatening either. You could try making him into a poster child for all that is evil in this war (ahem… lytom) but using this particular image that way seems at least as dishonest as anything else that has been suggested here. Frankly, there are Katrina photos of our own soldiers looking far more menacing toward our own citizens, whose only potential crime was attempting to survive.
I’d love to see the other photos that are just her and her child. Whether shielding insurgents or not, she’s a real person doing what she feels she must, no doubt with her own child in mind. This war is sooooo not a video game. I hope similar pictures are being found and introduced into our high school history and government classes. Wonder if googling would show any of Alan’s photographs being used in educational materials…

]]> By: Mike Shepherd http://www.bagnewsnotes.com/2005/06/punching-up-the-orange/#comment-115680 Mike Shepherd Fri, 16 Sep 2005 17:35:49 +0000 http://bnn.weightshift.com/2005/06/punching-up-the-orange/#comment-115680 One thing is for sure, and that is that we are not bringing peace and stability to these countries. We bring only death and destruction while we eyeball the next target. There are countries all over the world that need help...and instead of helping them, we bomb them. The war was wrong, the "facts" were non existant. The world tried to stop the madness before it started, but someone wasn't listening. Whatever your view of the photo or why it was used for the story, is really quite pointless in my mind. The most basic of facts is that it is real. Despite how the actual photo came to be, it is effectively a snapshot of a real moment in time for someone in Iraq...and I'm sure many more have it much worse. We need to look at these people with more humanity and respect. We need to stop dropping bombs on folks. We need to take care of the less fortunate instead of killing them. I am confident that Americans will eventually do the right thing. A good "leader" knows when to listen. Head over to http://www.worldcantwait.org/ and cast your vote for real world peace! Sincerely, One thing is for sure, and that is that we are not bringing peace and stability to these countries. We bring only death and destruction while we eyeball the next target.
There are countries all over the world that need help…and instead of helping them, we bomb them.
The war was wrong, the “facts” were non existant. The world tried to stop the madness before it started, but someone wasn’t listening.
Whatever your view of the photo or why it was used for the story, is really quite pointless in my mind. The most basic of facts is that it is real. Despite how the actual photo came to be, it is effectively a snapshot of a real moment in time for someone in Iraq…and I’m sure many more have it much worse.
We need to look at these people with more humanity and respect. We need to stop dropping bombs on folks. We need to take care of the less fortunate instead of killing them.
I am confident that Americans will eventually do the right thing. A good “leader” knows when to listen.
Head over to http://www.worldcantwait.org/ and cast your vote for real world peace!
Sincerely,

]]> By: fotonique http://www.bagnewsnotes.com/2005/06/punching-up-the-orange/#comment-115679 fotonique Sun, 28 Aug 2005 02:08:40 +0000 http://bnn.weightshift.com/2005/06/punching-up-the-orange/#comment-115679 <a href="http://www.operations.mod.uk/telic/images/misc/search_baby.jpg" rel="nofollow">British Search in Basra</a> British Search in Basra

]]> By: bob http://www.bagnewsnotes.com/2005/06/punching-up-the-orange/#comment-115678 bob Sat, 20 Aug 2005 17:43:16 +0000 http://bnn.weightshift.com/2005/06/punching-up-the-orange/#comment-115678 high anxiety it seems like the whole point of terrorism is to produce images like this. detonating, for example, a suicide truck bomb kills some and hair trigger responses at a checkpoint kill some more. what is the purpose of the "resisting the occupation" in iraq? it's a tautology. it's like saying we are at war because we are at war. the "occupation" if you want to call it that is war not the cause of war. what is the cause? i think you are showing images of a society at a prepolitical stage of development. it could just as easily be somalia or the congo. you will find the exact same expressions there. where there is no peaceful means of resolving competing interests, where there is no formulation of national interest. no "collective security" on a national level. i think these pictures are a good reflection of the 19th century world system that we are now living in. high anxiety
it seems like the whole point of terrorism is to produce images like this.
detonating, for example, a suicide truck bomb kills some and hair trigger responses at a checkpoint kill some more.
what is the purpose of the “resisting the occupation” in iraq?
it’s a tautology. it’s like saying we are at war because we are at war.
the “occupation” if you want to call it that is war not the cause of war.
what is the cause?
i think you are showing images of a society at a prepolitical stage of development. it could just as easily be somalia or the congo. you will find the exact same expressions there.
where there is no peaceful means of resolving competing interests, where there is no formulation of national interest. no “collective security” on a national level.
i think these pictures are a good reflection of the 19th century world system that we are now living in.

]]> By: Edward Teague http://www.bagnewsnotes.com/2005/06/punching-up-the-orange/#comment-115677 Edward Teague Sun, 07 Aug 2005 11:44:27 +0000 http://bnn.weightshift.com/2005/06/punching-up-the-orange/#comment-115677 Isn't the WWW wonderful ? All this debate from God knows where in the world, by sensible, bright people and here the photographer, about one picture, BAGman what a wonderful job. Since I started looking in a few months ago I look at press pics in a new way - as I spent many years writing advertising copy I have a way of looking at the words which is not too different. Keep up the good work. Isn’t the WWW wonderful ? All this debate from God knows where in the world, by sensible, bright people and here the photographer, about one picture, BAGman what a wonderful job.
Since I started looking in a few months ago I look at press pics in a new way – as I spent many years writing advertising copy I have a way of looking at the words which is not too different.
Keep up the good work.

]]> By: Bob Darnell http://www.bagnewsnotes.com/2005/06/punching-up-the-orange/#comment-115676 Bob Darnell Sun, 03 Jul 2005 11:06:46 +0000 http://bnn.weightshift.com/2005/06/punching-up-the-orange/#comment-115676 I'm a scientist, new to BAG, just wanted to say that I think this thread, especially Alan Chin's jumping in, is terrific. The existence of the thread, the links to Alan's pictures, the thinking behind the surface. What a difference from a few years ago! A genuine give and take, with a chance to go under the orange veneer. My hat is off to the (generally) intelligent level of the discussion, to BAG, and to Alan Chin. A great new bookmark! I’m a scientist, new to BAG, just wanted to say that I think this thread, especially Alan Chin’s jumping in, is terrific. The existence of the thread, the links to Alan’s pictures, the thinking behind the surface. What a difference from a few years ago! A genuine give and take, with a chance to go under the orange veneer. My hat is off to the (generally) intelligent level of the discussion, to BAG, and to Alan Chin. A great new bookmark!

]]> By: tompayne http://www.bagnewsnotes.com/2005/06/punching-up-the-orange/#comment-115675 tompayne Thu, 30 Jun 2005 16:19:32 +0000 http://bnn.weightshift.com/2005/06/punching-up-the-orange/#comment-115675 If I watch any of the TV news channels, I tend to do it with the sound off. Sometimes its very interesting what images they use behind the voice over. I've seen several times where the voice-over is pretty much repeating the Pentagon official line, but the image behind the voice over is raw footage from Iraq showing civilian casualites. Sometimes I turn the sound on just to hear what they are saying. So I've seen cases where the official voice on TV is saying the line about no civilian casualties, where the pictures behind the voice show civilians pulling injured or dead children from a bombed building. I'm never quite sure if this is accidental or deliberate. Did the tv channel just grab some footage to show behind the voice, and didn't check or didn't care what the footage was showing? Or has someone noticed that the censors and the editors only really pay attention to the text the voice is reading, and they've found they can pass along some good information to viewers who are paying attention to what the images are showing. With the NYT, I'm sure they look very closely at the pictures they use. They aren't in a rush to fill 24 hours of tv news time. So when the NYT shows a picture, I'm sure its very deliberately chosen. Which makes the above comment about how this picture used with a story on a different context tends to imply that ALL Iraqi homes are the hidden lairs and arms caches very interesting. There's a lot of subtlety in how we are lied to. Polls of Americans show they believe a lot of flat out wrong things. And then everyone can point out that they are the ones who misled people. But combinations of images and stories like this mismatched pair do create an impression .... and I'm quite sure its deliberate. The impression stays, but the NYT can come back some day and say "well, we never said that all Iraqi homes are arms caches". If I watch any of the TV news channels, I tend to do it with the sound off. Sometimes its very interesting what images they use behind the voice over. I’ve seen several times where the voice-over is pretty much repeating the Pentagon official line, but the image behind the voice over is raw footage from Iraq showing civilian casualites. Sometimes I turn the sound on just to hear what they are saying. So I’ve seen cases where the official voice on TV is saying the line about no civilian casualties, where the pictures behind the voice show civilians pulling injured or dead children from a bombed building.
I’m never quite sure if this is accidental or deliberate. Did the tv channel just grab some footage to show behind the voice, and didn’t check or didn’t care what the footage was showing? Or has someone noticed that the censors and the editors only really pay attention to the text the voice is reading, and they’ve found they can pass along some good information to viewers who are paying attention to what the images are showing.
With the NYT, I’m sure they look very closely at the pictures they use. They aren’t in a rush to fill 24 hours of tv news time. So when the NYT shows a picture, I’m sure its very deliberately chosen.
Which makes the above comment about how this picture used with a story on a different context tends to imply that ALL Iraqi homes are the hidden lairs and arms caches very interesting.
There’s a lot of subtlety in how we are lied to. Polls of Americans show they believe a lot of flat out wrong things. And then everyone can point out that they are the ones who misled people. But combinations of images and stories like this mismatched pair do create an impression …. and I’m quite sure its deliberate. The impression stays, but the NYT can come back some day and say “well, we never said that all Iraqi homes are arms caches”.

]]> By: I Love Everything http://www.bagnewsnotes.com/2005/06/punching-up-the-orange/#comment-115683 I Love Everything Wed, 29 Jun 2005 15:15:21 +0000 http://bnn.weightshift.com/2005/06/punching-up-the-orange/#comment-115683 <strong>It's June 2005 in Iraq</strong> http://bagnewsnotes.typepad.com/bagnews/in_a_pictureislamic_wars/index.html Fun with one of the PR photos from Rummy's visit. It’s June 2005 in Iraq

http://bagnewsnotes.typepad.com/bagnews/in_a_pictureislamic_wars/index.html
Fun with one of the PR photos from Rummy’s visit.

]]> By: JS http://www.bagnewsnotes.com/2005/06/punching-up-the-orange/#comment-115674 JS Wed, 22 Jun 2005 21:19:20 +0000 http://bnn.weightshift.com/2005/06/punching-up-the-orange/#comment-115674 To Alan Chin: thanks for risking your life in Iraq to document history while the rest of us sit back comfortably and debate the merits of your photographs. Please stay safe. Embedded or not embedded, the American people would truly be in the dark without photographs such as yours. You risk kidnapping, mortars, car bombs and gunfire to bring us your lense into the situation in Iraq. No matter where any of us stand politically, we should all be in debt to you. To Alan Chin: thanks for risking your life in Iraq to document history while the rest of us sit back comfortably and debate the merits of your photographs. Please stay safe. Embedded or not embedded, the American people would truly be in the dark without photographs such as yours. You risk kidnapping, mortars, car bombs and gunfire to bring us your lense into the situation in Iraq. No matter where any of us stand politically, we should all be in debt to you.

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