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March 19, 2005

Gag Reflex

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Back in graduate school, I had a professor who liked to talk about “Bubbe logic.” 

If your not familiar with the term, it refers to a simple method to tell if something is logical or not.  In my instructor’s case, he would take anything he wasn’t sure made sense and try to explain it to his 93 year old grandmother.  If he could make it understandable to her, it made sense.  If not, there was something wrong with it.

When I saw this shot in Thursday’s NYT, my first thought was about Bubbe.

It’s my feeling that, since the election, the radical right has been overreaching.  I say this because they seem to have forgotten how to put a good metaphor together.  Just look at the semantic problems they’ve been having with Social Security, for example.  This protest suffers along the same lines. 

I guess what these people are trying to say is, if you don’t feed Terry Schiavo (the brain dead women in Florida whose husband has been allowed to have her feeding tube removed) you are taking her life.  The problem with the picture, however, is that it would leave poor Bubbe scratching her head.

If my professor had sat down and explained all the facts of this case to his dear grandmother, I could just imagine some of her questions:

In taping over their mouths, are these protesters suggesting that they are being denied the right to give life to their views? 

If Mrs. Schiavo’s brain has essentially been reduced to spinal fluid, and any life-like behavior on her part is simply the result of involuntary reflexes, what do these folks mean by “life?”

If credible courts have repeatedly heard this case, and have consistently ruled that it was Mrs. Schiavo’s intent not to be kept alive in this manner, than who exactly is being silenced?

What’s with the placement of the tape if Mrs. Schiavo’s subsistence has no oral aspect to it, and her nutrition is provided solely through a gastric tube?

Considering that the heart attack which led to Mrs. Schaivo’s brain damage was caused by bulimia, couldn’t these protester be seen as attacking her?  (In other words, what would prevent Bubbe from reading this picture as saying: “If you had just kept your food down, you’d still have a life today”?)

Finally, Bubbe might ask if the protesters believe life lasts forever …just as long as nobody breaths a word otherwise.

(background on the Schiavo case here)

(image: Chris O’Meara/AP in YahooNews)

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Random notes:

>>This post re-edited 3/20/05 to reflect proper Yiddish.  As kindly pointed out to me,
Bubba is a pejorative for rural folk.  My instructor’s Bubbe, however, was a Jewish immigrant living in the San Fernando Valley.

  • http://greentuna.blogspot.com greentuna

    I agree. This is one of the strangest pictures I’ve ever seen. Funny, despite the tape over the mouth, I do not associate it with eating, but rather talking. If I didn’t know it was related to the Schiavo case, I would think it was a protest somehow associated with freedom of speech.

  • mugatea

    These people should have tape on thier ears as well.
    The US Senate getting involved in this emotional case is one of the most disturbing political events of the year. With everything going on in the world and our country right now, this case and the baseball hearings this past week are just smoke and mirror, hey why don’t they call up the Jackson 5 to perform on the Capitol steps? Janet could join in and show her breast … It’s the Republican’s country now and dialy events are making less and less sense to this Bubba.

  • aethorian

    Compare the color image—more effective, imo— here or here.
    Our lives (and the lives of others) depend upon not only what goes into our mouths, but what comes out of them as well.

  • loser

    The comments on a Fark thread yesterday were …. shall we say …. unkind to the people in a similar picture with the LIFE-taped mouths. Bubba logic for sure. The trucks with the billboards on them with more clear messages are very scary, however.

  • The BAG

    aethorian,
    Only having seen the image in the Times, I missed the color version. It seems the protesters get away with a little more personality, but that tape is even more perverse in red and black.

  • rhondda

    It is indeed perserve. However, there is a voice that rarely gets heard in the roar betweem the left and the right. It is those with disablilities and their quality of life. See raggededgemagazine.com

  • zootso

    When all it takes is just someone’s word that they heard someone say they wanted to die..without any written statement, then it is a scary day indeed. Who needs proof? Life is not a gift to be taken for granted.

  • Mouse

    My interpretation was the opposite of what I think they were trying to communicate: Right-to-lifers are silencing women.

  • Sherman

    It reminds me of the “Seinfeld” episode in which Kramer was protesting the U.S. Postal Service.
    “Why is there a bucket on the postman’s head?”
    “Because we are blind to the tyranny of the Post Office.”
    “Then shouldn’t the bucket be on your head?”

  • Brian C.B.

    It takes someone’s word. And a trial convened solely to deterimine, in great detail, on the public record, whether that word was spoken.
    Help stamp out necrophilia: draft your living will today.

  • Quentin

    The Republican senators’ cynical exploitation of this issue is what used to be called plainly and simply SICK.

  • Rick Perlstein

    Might want to spell it “bubbe,” not “bubba.” I had to read the post twice before I realized you weren’t talking about a pejorative for rural folk…

  • aethorian

    BAG,
    As BAGnewsNotes so frequently points out, there is much more to an image than meets the eye. Words are usually necessary to give further context and meaning, which is why I am puzzled by your statement that red tape makes this image “more perverse“. Are you saying that protesting the probable end of someone’s life is “perverse“?
    If color elicits a stronger response from you, the protestors have made an effective visual statement by using colored tape. We also perceive their natural skin color—due to the flow of red blood—which makes them appear more alive, more present, than a black and white image (which is essentially an abstraction of reality). In this case, color photography gives us a more accurate picture of the event and the emotions around it, and reinforces the contrast between life and death. Yet, the colors on our screen are not as startling as if we witnessed the protest in person: the screen still lets us keep our distance.
    Perhaps living color makes Terry Schiavo’s plight more personal by reminding us that there, but for the grace of God, go we. If someone we loved was in her situation, I hope the feelings of our heart would outweigh our logic (which might be a bigger hurdle than Bubba’s).

  • aethorian

    Thanks, Rick. That had me going for a while, too: I thought BAGnN had been hijacked…
    From the Jewish Outreach Institute:

    Bubbe
    &nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbspGrandmother, in Yiddish. The Hebrew term is Savta.

    Make that Grandma’s logic, then.

  • The BAG

    Thanks for the correction on “bubbe.” If mine was still around, I’d be in big trouble.

  • http://www.woodka.com donna

    Now really, they ought to put tubes down their damn throats and lay on their backs on the sidewalk… for about 15 years…..

  • merchanna

    The faces on the people seem to me to be quite telling: the woman on left w/ jean jacket, seems to be saying “Look at me, I’m so morally superior, ain’t it cool to be here”, the girl front and center in buttoned shirt seems to be lost in euphoria and like she’s using all her strength to remain there by focusing on her chosen god, and the girl closest to the camera on right, seems pained and uncomfortable, almost like she’s uncertain about her choice and angry about the situation she finds herself in. The young man between on left in background seems to be in distress (it makes me wonder if he had much of an educated choice to be there in the first place, it almost seems as if he can’t breathe, or like he’s silently screaming). The man on right background seems very angry,overpowering and adamant (he’s also the tallest person there), I wonder if he had a lot to do with the others being there, like he might be a church-elder or something) Very disturbing picture. I’m glad to see these people standing up for what they believe in, though. This is what America is all about. Under ideal situations one gets to see all sides.I just wish we would see more liberal protests that happen and their views. (plaintive sigh)

  • merchanna

    (Since I don’t have a gag on me, I can’t shut up…)
    Even though they’re saying that life is being denied them, what kind of life are they protraying that is being denied? A bloody and black life! Who wants that? Terry Schiavo’s husband already won in court many, many times the right to act in his wife’s best interest to give her peace and rest from an unwanted condition. They only reason the republican polictians are fighting for Terry Schiavo’s life is for political (read: selfish) reasons. They don’t give a flying fish about her or anyone else’s life but their own and (I give them the benefit of the doubt here:) their immediate “friends” (cronies?)and families. They can’t fool me, and most likely, not many other people. Where were they when mentally handicapped kids were put to death? Where were they when black people were executed more than white people (and still are?), where were they when juveniles where put to death? Where were they when children, babies, where ripped from their mothers so the mothers could spend 15 years in prison for selling dope? Where were they when 100,000 Iraqis where senselessly massacred for one man’s sins? Where are they know? They’re most liking laughing it up with “the good ‘ole boys”, banging their secretaries, beating their kids, playing golf, sleeping like angels with not a care or worry and devising ways to destroy every god-forsaken good thing we got going in this country just so they can drive that new Cadillac and tell their pop and ma on Social Security that they’re no longer beer-guzzling, idiot in a hazin’ frat-house loser, but they really have grown up and they can be proud? What the hell has frickin’ happened to morals, ethics and knowing right from wrong and paying for it when you do do wrong? What the hell??????????

  • Quentin

    Aethorian,
    I’m so dense that I can’t understand what you mean. You write:
    ‘If someone we loved was in her situation, I hope the feelings of our heart would outweigh our logic (which might be a bigger hurdle than Bubba’s).’
    Does the ‘we’ mean ‘I’ or do you think everyone needs to think / would think the same? If you mean ‘I’, why don’t you just say so then?
    And could you translate into boring, commonplace language: would letting the feelings of the heart outweigh logic result in the prolongation or in the termination of this woman’s existence? Why do you suppose that the heart and the mind (logic) might even be at odds.
    As you see, I have a hard time coming down to earth after reading your post.

  • aethorian

    Quentin,
    All I’m saying is that, IMHO, intellectual logic is not enough to answer a situation like Terri Schiavo’s. It becomes less useful the closer we (as emotional beings) are to the person involved.
    If our daughter, wife, companion, sister, or mother was in her place, I think it’s fair to say that we could not base their fate solely upon clinical logic. At least I couldn’t: your decisions are your own, but don’t your emotions affect them also?
    Logic, whoever’s mind it comes from, may not be enough. Our heart, our emotions, should not be (and I would argue, cannot be) set aside in a case like this.

  • torpedo_eight

    Excellent, let’s make a call on the worth of this woman’s life, against that of her parents, then let’s find a nice quiet cul-de-sac some place near the Everglades were we can leave her to die quietly. Then let’s save our angst for real victims like cop killers and mass murders facing the cruel and unusual punishment of being anesthesized with sodium penathol, then euthanized with potassium chloride, all within 4 minute’s time.
    This woman’s life really isn’t worth living, in my estimation, so let’s let her starve slow over the course of the next few days. Sounds humane to me. Especially since I don’t have kids and can’t imagine what that would be like, but what the hey? She won’t feel it, will she?
    I wonder what Susan Sarandon would say. She’s an expert on these matters, no? Don’t you think she’d want to cork Terri as well? (oh, sorry, we’re not to refer to the woman directly – only metaphorically – like this was some ethics class.)

  • baloney

    “If our daughter, wife, companion, sister, or mother was in her place, I think it’s fair to say that we could not base their fate solely upon clinical logic.”
    That’s nice, but the decision is not based on either emotion or logic, but on what a number of hearings have consistently found to have been Mrs Schiavo’s wishes. And it is indeed perverse to imply that people who disagree with your view of what should be done in these cases are basing their judgments solely on coldly inhuman logic. Stuff like this is presumptuous in the extreme: “Logic, whoever’s mind it comes from, may not be enough. Our heart, our emotions, should not be (and I would argue, cannot be) set aside in a case like this.” You really think that everyone who thinks this woman should not be forced to live as long as medicine can make her, against her own wishes, has shut their ears to their hearts? Every adult knows that both reason and feeling have a place in any thought & judgment.

  • merchanna

    Torpedo–The burden rests entirely on right-to-lifers that Terri Schiavo’s only option to die is by starvation. You need to know that. If you do know it, you’re just muddling the truth by not mentioning it. It’s people like you who have made death by starvation the only option to end a miserable existence. (Miserable existence, by the way, is HER personal belief, proven again and again in the courts of law). Then you think her parents should make the decision for her? Who did Terri chose to spend her life with? Oh, yeah, her husband, not her parents. Forgot that, eh? You put no faith in the sanctity of marriage, no faith in the joy of life (just life–who cares if it’s miserable, right?), no faith in the courts (you probably believe courts are just filled with liberal judges and lawyers, right?) Where exactlly does your faith lay? Does it, by any chance, lay with the conservative right’s opinion that life is life, as long as it looks and sounds good, but who cares other than that? Hypocrites, muddlers, non-thinkers. Maybe you should focus on giving money to the poor more than your crusade to tell others what to do.

  • aethorian

    Baloney,
    No, I don’t think that at all. I’m merely expressing my opinion, and am certainly not assuming, saying, demanding, or accusing anyone that this must come down to emotion or logic, only that both must be considered. And in the case of someone close to us, emotion may have more influence than reason, even over judicial decisions. YMMV, of course.
    It’s interesting how emotional this discussion about logic has become, but perhaps I’m getting too far off-topic. Back to the introductory post about this picture:

    I guess what these people are trying to say is, if you don’t feed Terry Schiavo (the brain dead women in Florida whose husband has been allowed to have her feeding tube removed) you are taking her life. The problem with the picture, however, is that it would leave poor Bubbe scratching her head.

    The possibility is then offered that Grandmother might question these protestors as selfish, ill-informed, misguided, mean-spirited, confused, and ignorant about life and death issues. Some previous statements leading up to this proposed standard of Bubbe-logic also pre-paint the protesters as wrong, radical, overreaching, forgetful, and metaphorically and semantically challenged.
    Hardly objective, this. Is it not also possible that Grandmother—and a long-lived Jewish one at that—might just see the protestors as doing something positive? Can we reasonably pull all of these negative assumptions out of this picture?
    My contention is that, by looking at the protestors’ photo alone, neither we or Grandmother can know exactly what they’re trying to express. Tape over the mouth is a common symbolic act, but it usually needs additional words to understand what’s going on (the protesters can’t speak, after all). If images have little or no explanatory text, Grandmother could easily scratch her head about other silent protests like these: America’s Problems; Media; Parade; Tape.
    Some images are easier to understand because of additional context within the frame, or because we recognize the subject: Ashcroft; Looter; Peace; but other in-frame captions give too few clues: Refugees; Sitting.
    Logically speaking, pictures alone are not always enough to know what someone is trying to say, or to determine if they are right or wrong.

  • torpedo_eight

    merchanna – I’ve talked to a couple of people and we’ve decided you’re living a miserable life too. When can we pull your tube?
    Let’s review that line again: “…for richer or for poor, in sickness and health, unless I determine your life is miserable, then I can cork you.” Damn, you’re right, it is in there!

  • torpedo_eight

    “Hypocrites, muddlers, non-thinkers. Maybe you should focus on giving money to the poor more than your crusade to tell others what to do.” – merchanna
    Let me get this straight, you’re telling me what to do as, in the same breath, you’re accusing me of telling others what to do? Do hypocrites own mirrors?

  • baloney

    “let’s find a nice quiet cul-de-sac some place near the Everglades were we can leave her to die quietly.”
    Straw men are generally not welcome in these quarters.
    PS to aethorian, thanks for your thoughtful reply. Re: tape-over-the-mouth, I have to say it’s in any case one of the dumbest possible tropes in this context – if you’ve got the right to protest, it seems, as a symbolic act, beside the point.

  • merchanna

    Torpedo–
    notice the word “maybe” when I addressed you? It was a suggestion, not an order.

  • merchanna

    ok, ok, I think my wording was a little too pissy to you. Sorry, I just get so frustrated. Please don’t take it personally. I’m arguing with the ideas not really you. I still hold my beliefs, tho, as I’m sure you do.

  • Maxcat

    I say give these people what they ask for. Give the parents what they ask for.
    They can have Terry immediately, and take her home and go for it. Feed her and water her 24/7/365.
    Ah ha, what’s that they’re saying now? What’s that about life?
    Just like many right to lifers when it comes to putting your money where the tape over their mouth is, the story somehow gets changed around to being someone elses responsibilty.

  • Quentin

    Aethorian,
    What I wanted to know is: do you think Terri Schiavo’s tubes should remain disconnected or be reattached. You skirt around the issue, avoiding stating your own opinion. Maybe you don’t have one, then say so. That’s the only thing that’s of any interest. All the intellectualizing, the aesthetics are irrelevant. Of course, logic and emotions influence each other and are intertwined. Well, what else is new. I think Terri Schiavo should be allowed to leave this world and has the right finally to be in peace. Do you think her husband is listening to his heart or his mind? And what might her parents be doing? Get down to brass tacks. That’s what it is about: deciding finally and irrevocably.

  • torpedo_eight

    Maxcat, I understand several million dollars have been raised and offered to Terri’s ex in exchange for his quitclaim to legal authority. He has refused. So the money is where the mouth is, and many people have volunteered their time and talent to helping her. People are more than willing to shoulder the burden of supporting an invalid, just as they fork over millions each year to MD, MS, Shriner’s, St. Jude’s, March of Dimes, etc.
    It’s not a question of responsibility in this case, it’s a question of euthanizing someone who isn’t terminal. Terri’s actually in better shape than Christopher Reeves was. No one was clamoring for him to be taken off the vent, were they? Or do people have to talk in full sentences to get your blessing on “a life worth living”?

  • Mouse

    Or do people have to talk in full sentences to get your blessing on “a life worth living”?
    First, this isn’t about being able to talk in full sentences; Terry Schiavo is unable form thoughts, let alone full sentences, but that’s not the point here. The point isn’t even who has the right to choose for her because neither her husband nor her parents have chosen her fate. The courts, after many appeals, consistently found that Terry had already clearly expressed her choice in this situation.
    The point is that Terry herself didn’t consider this a life worth living. What’s most puzzling to me is why you don’t seem to care about what she wanted for herself.
    So maybe what the picture really says is: you don’t count, only your life does.

  • torpedo_eight

    Mouse – Small point here, but you are not the final arbiter of your own life. Hence, suicide is a crime.
    Terri did not leave a Living Will and however it was the court found ‘consistently’ that Terri had expressed the desire to kill herself, it did not come from her own mouth (obviously) nor did it come from prima facie evidence (a document of some sort). Her ex-husband is the one expressing that view, and that would make his testimony hearsay.
    I don’t think there’d be that much of a stink here if Terri was a terminal case. She’s clearly not that. With therapy (something that was withdrawn when the malpractice suit was awarded) she might even learn to swallow on her own. But we can safely say she cannot now swallow on her own.
    There are a lot of medical conditions where the patient cannot swallow on their own. Could all these cases be safely euthanized as well? We’re not talking about a vegetative state here, we not talking terminal. We talking about whether it’s alright to starve someone to death if their spouse says that’s what they wanted.
    And like I said, you are not free to dispose of your own life – it is one of your inalienable rights.

  • aethorian

    Quentin,
    In my very humble and unlearned opinion:
    Terri Schiavo’s life is her own, and the manner in which she has lived it is between her and God. At the present moment, she unfortunately cannot tell us whether she wants to live or die.
    That being the case, the earthly decision for her life shifts to her husband Michael. If he is willing to have her feeding tube removed, then he is also willing to accept her death (and reasonably expects this to occur). Once he has made this decision, Terry is for all practical purposes dead to him. Their marriage vows have thus ended, he no longer has any hold on her, and can go about his own life.
    Since their relationship is over, the responsibility for her life then shifts to her parents. They have clearly expressed their desire to care for her, and they should be allowed to step in and do so. You, I, other BNN commenters, protestors on all sides, the government, and the courts can freely discuss Terry Schiavo all we want, but the ultimate decision about her life simply does not belong to us. It belongs to whatever family is left around her when the dust finally settles.
    The one decision we can all make is to write living wills that clearly spell out what we want done if we should ever be incapacitated. Hopefully we can spare our families the emotional, logical, and legal morass that the Schiavo case has become.
    YMMV, of course.

  • Quentin

    Aethorian,
    Your heartfelt concern for everyone involved in this sad matter is moving. May Terri Schiavo and her husband and biological family find peace.

  • Quentin

    And I will also add: may the U.S. of A. find peace too.

  • merchanna

    Aerthorian,
    That was a very hateful statement you made about me. You said that a group of you and your friends had talked about me and determined that I was miserable and you’d all like to pull my feeding tube. The only time I get miserable is on occasion when things like this happen. I’m a deeply sensitive person. If you are not, I wouldn’t be surprised. Maybe you ought to work on that before deciding how you feel about whether Terri Schiavo’s husband has the right to act in his wife’s best wishes when courts have determined that he does.
    Since you and your friends have decided this about me, and you are not my guardian, don’t know me and don’t act in my best wishes, but have decided you’d like to “pull my plug”, than you’d undoubtedly agree that a hospital has the right to end a baby’s life over the wishes of it’s parents?
    You probably enjoy the fact that you have hurt my feelings today, but I have the confidence that you did that to: 1)make up for the fact that you ran out of arguments to make your case
    2)avoid the fact that I must have made some good points, because they left you speechless on the points, and you probably felt frustrated, so you spewed hate.
    3)by your spewing of only hate, you have not helped to change my mind or probably anyone else’s mind on here, so what was the point of your posting? You need to reevaluate your strategy.
    The list could go on and on, and I’m feeling better, hope you learn to curb your hurtful nature.

  • aethorian

    Merchanna,
    Those comments are from torpedo_eight, not me. Note that the dashed line and “Posted by:” user name appears below each comment, not above it.
    The present layout is a little confusing to me also: the dashed line looks like a horizontal rule that normally ends a section of text. It might be clearer if our user name was above the dashed line instead of below it.
    Maybe BAG can remedy this.
    Aethorian

  • torpedo_eight

    And my intention was not to hurt your feelings but illustrate that others cannot make determinations about your life for you – especially when they don’t know you. In this case a judge has ordered a feeding tube removed from a woman who is not terminal, not unconscious. Millions of people fit that description right now.
    And if you think words hurt, imagine what it’s like to be starved to death by the all-benevolent state.
    Still, I apologize for any hurt I caused.

  • merchanna

    Thanks, that was very sweet. I guess the good thing about this whole thing is that people are talking about the issue and genuinely care. We may have different opinions and feelings, but we certainly care about our own and others’ lives. All of us. (God, I’m a real corn-ball, but it seems true). Sorry, Aethorian, for mistaking you for Torpedo.

  • Mouse

    Mouse – Small point here, but you are not the final arbiter of your own life. Hence, suicide is a crime.
    Just as small a point, I am Canadian; I am the arbiter of my own life because suicide is not a crime in Canada. Further, since living wills are legal in your country for cases exactly like Terry’s, such decisions are obviously not considered suicide. Had Terry had a living will specifically detailing her wishes, this discussion would not be occurring, regardless of the outcome. However, you can choose not to believe this.
    Also, the court did find clear and compelling evidence of Terry’s wishes based on the statements of 3 witnesses. You can choose not to believe this.
    With therapy (something that was withdrawn when the malpractice suit was awarded) she might even learn to swallow on her own.
    The courts found that Terry has had the best of care from the time of her brain injury. You can choose not to believe this either. The court also reviewed new medical testimony upon appeal, and 4 of 5 doctors agreed that none of the therapies available to Terry was an effective for the type of injury she sustained. The 5th doctor, Dr. Hammesfahr, was so short on specifics and documentation, that he was found to be short on credibility. Read the judgment for yourself. Again, you can choose not to believe this.
    However, as we add up all the things that you may choose not to believe, it seems to me–and I say this with respect–that you may be more interested in your beliefs than you may be with the facts.

  • torpedo_eight

    I’m well aware of the facts in this case and am not engaging in delusional thinking, so drop the condescension. I fully realize a living will would have ended this controversy – but there wasn’t one, was there?
    And hearsay from 3 witnesses wouldn’t get you a dime in a contested will, but from this judge, it’s good enough for a death sentence. You can choose not to believe this, or you can try it yourself the next time one of your relatives skunks you out of an inheritance.
    And Terri got the best of care from the time of her brain injury, but that’s entirely separate from the fact her therapy was discontinued at the time the malpractice award was granted. The best medical care is not in question – discontinuance of her therapy is.
    I’m fully aware that what I believe is at variance of what’s transpiring. A husband has moved on and no longer wants the inconvenience of caring for an invalid ex-wife, the ex-wife’s parents volunteer to take care of her and millions are raised for that task, but the judge orders her starved to death instead. Imagine this is an adopted child, would people stand idly by and allow the same judgement? Power of attorney or legal guardianship does not grant the holder the power of life and death, does it?
    And if you want to see how one government handled the invalids in its sanitariums, you can rent “The Sorrow and the Pity”. Sure, it’s one approach – but is it the right one? Should someone die because they have inconvenienced you? The same one you swore to be with in sickness and in health? Where’s the place in the ceremony where they say you’re free to take a common-law wife and reproduce with her when your wife becomes incapacitated? Missed that one.
    Perhaps if Terri had shot a cop in Philadelphia, she’d get more support from the folks who want her at room temperature ASAP. Perhaps if her parents were Muslim or Buddhist, the courts would have more sympathy for their wishes. We’ll never know.
    Congratulations on your legal suicide, you Canadians are just so far ahead of us.

  • http://www.metalreview.com drew

    I don’t get it.
    Unless I’m totally mistaken, her brain doesn’t work. She doesn’t have emotions.
    People are paying for an empty mass of tissue to be kept alive?
    And to anyone who states that her husband is simply being “inconvenienced” by her wife still being alive…is it a possibility that seeing a catatonic and entirely empty woman that he used to be in love with is incredibly painful for this man?
    If you can prove that the woman still feels sensation and isn’t just a lifeless husk, I’ll totally concede this argument. But uh, from my understanding, this whole thing is ridiculous.

  • http://www.thairon.com loiver

    I have learned about this at school today!

  • Crystalline

    And what exactly, is the metaphor here? are they implying that her “Life” is what is keeping her from getting food? Is the tape supposed to represent life? I’m sure that’s not what they meant…but that’s what I would assume if I had no knowledge of the background of the case. if you are going to do a physically representative demonstration, come on, make it make logical sense.

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